Air France Flt 447 Crash

[Criminal]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/FRANCE+CRASH+REPORT/6547853/story.html

Some (maybe) new info about this crash. Interesting/educated article. Has a lot of good points about CRM, decision making, and handling stressful situations.

 

[Renegade One]

I dunno...what can you say about an aircraft that only let's the flight deck crew "have a vote" rather than having unambiguous control. Too many guys with ATPs on this site who are way, way...like WAY ....smarter than me for me to say any more.
"Take a Chance...Fly Air France!"

 

[Criminal]

It seems more like bad SA coupled with lacked training. In a stall for 4 mins, while continuing to pull back on the stick to try to climb.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I dunno...what can you say about an aircraft that only let's the flight deck crew "have a vote" rather than having unambiguous control. Too many guys with ATPs on this site who are way, way...like WAY ....smarter than me for me to say any more.
"Take a Chance...Fly Air France!"

While I fly the 767, I've talked to guys at my airline that fly the A330. There are ways the pilot can have unambiguous control without the computers taking over. You just have to put the aircraft in that flight mode. I'll probably find out how within the next year unfortunately....

 

[Fallonflyr]

While I fly the 767, I've talked to guys at my airline that fly the A330. There are ways the pilot can have unambiguous control without the computers taking over. You just have to put the aircraft in that flight mode. I'll probably find out how within the next year unfortunately....

Just remember, the weight limit for the tray table is 140lbs if you get my drift.

 

[Renegade One]

Just remember, the weight limit for the tray table is 140lbs if you get my drift.

Crap...almost spit my jalapeño-stuffed martini olive right out my nose....priceless!

 

[RadicalDude]

I dunno...what can you say about an aircraft that only let's the flight deck crew "have a vote" rather than having unambiguous control. Too many guys with ATPs on this site who are way, way...like WAY ....smarter than me for me to say any more.
"Take a Chance...Fly Air France!"

I dunno, what can you say about the Hornet/Rhino?

 

[Harrier Dude]

This was one of our CRM studies at FSI refresh. Sad and highly preventable mishap.

 

[707guy]

Similar to the NY accident with the DHC-8 - stall coupled with pulling back on the yoke. Of course in that accident the a/c was on approach and had a lot less altitude to recover.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Just remember, the weight limit for the tray table is 140lbs if you get my drift.

If the "meal" weighs more than 140 ilbs, I don't want her anyway......

 

[nittany03]

Similar to the NY accident with the DHC-8 - stall coupled with pulling back on the yoke. Of course in that accident the a/c was on approach and had a lot less altitude to recover.

I certainly can't claim to be God's gift to pilot land, but both cases still bother me. I know there were distractions and mitigating circumstances, but they both seem like failures of basic airmanship. They teach "max, relax, level, ball" when you get your PPL, FFS.

I've done plenty of stupid crap in an airplane in my time, and but for the grace of God go all of us. But still, I worry.

 

[villanelle]

If the "meal" weighs more than 140 ilbs, I do want her anyway......

I didn't have you pegged as a manatee lover.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I didn't have you pegged as a manatee lover.

It never said that and you can't prove it...

 

[Treetop Flyer]

I'm no expert on multi-crewed aircraft, but it seems like bad idea to me to have one set of control's movements not matched on the other set. There were obviously several factors at work, but if the one pilot could have felt the other holding the stick back disaster may have been averted.

 

[Criminal]

How often do airline pilots train for basic flying like stalls? Or do they even in planes of that size?