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NEWS Navy to end ending all enlisted ratings!
- Thread starter AQ-AT-NAVCIV
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I was not busting on NFO. I was sticking up for "other" career fields. Your views, and LFCFan's, are the same type of stuff that gets Marines all spun up about meaningless "POG vs Grunt" debates.
One team one fight. Everyone has a part of the mission. So what if someone else has a warfare pin for something you may think doesn't merit a pin. No reason to put em down.
I'll buy that as the best defense I've heard of the SWO PQS.
You train for a skill to get NFO wings just like dolphins, EOD pins and Naval Aviator wings along with other warfare pins. Not so much with many qualification pins to include NAWS, which is more learning about a small part of a discipline and not a skill.
It is a bit flip to come from someone who doesn't know any better and has no skin in the game yet, so it wasn't unjustified given the tone.
The POG vs grunt and other rivalries within the military have their roots in both the strong fraternity of service and a very real distinction of who does what as part of the fight. Everyone has their role in the military, from wrench turner to grunt, but some folks often lose the sight of actually 'knowing their role'. When support folks forget their role is one of 'support' that becomes a problem, and it does happen. The proliferation of pins were everyone gets a shiny prize for getting a few things signed off really hasn't helped much with some of those attitudes.
So there is a pretty big distinction the many warfare and qualification pins, including which ones get a lot more credence than others. Just like a grunt is almost always going to have more credence about the fight than a water dog or an Intel type who sits behind the wire. And of course it extends to who is in command in the fight, with URL/combat arms types the ones in charge.
Finally, as someone who is just aspiring to be part of the club you really don't have much of a say in the reindeer games we play quite yet.
Not to get in the way of the pissing match, but here's an "interesting" article from USNI blog, written by a guy, who in my opinion, just doesn't get it.
I truly wonder whether this rateless change will ever take hold from a cultural standpoint. From what I'm observing around my squadron, people are still referring to each other by their rates. The "Petty Officer First Class so and so" banter is tongue in cheek. The PR shop is still the PR shop, and the folks who work in 230 are still the Ordies. It will take years to change the way our people take advancement exams. I sense a service-wide slow roll... and I'm OK with that.
but, but, but #innovation and #forceofthefuture!
Yesterday was the first time I've flown since the policy release. I heard several amusing calls over the radio to include, "can you please send out a person formally known as an AT..." I've continue to find new reasons why this is dumb every day.
LFCFan
*Insert nerd wings here*
Considering that "CVW" and "FRS" haven't really caught on in casual conversation, I'd say quite a while. I'd also add that a lot of the slang, like ordies, mechs, etc, will probably stick around even longer since those are not official terms.
I also wish they'd just say "call everyone Petty Officer" or "PO1, 2 or 3" would make more sense. "Petty officer second class" is a mouthful.
I don't think people are going to use that very much in verbal communication. I see that used primarily in correspondence.
Btw, NAVFIT 98A is eligible to vote this year!
Gator Guard
always knife hands
I witnessed a 2 star make a joke about the rating change on VTC a few days ago. I think they might have to roll back and revamp this update.
At least I can turn down updating to iOS 10. This, not so much.