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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

taxi1

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You’re intentionally dancing around the issue or associating advantages of one category of drones (in this case cheap low cost) to all categories of them.

Nobody is 3D printing circuit cards or processors in a forward area. Nobody is manufacturing batteries or optics/sensors in a forward area. 3D printers solve the rapidly attrited expendable parts issue, not the supply chain issue.

Again, a few pages ago you were making claims about advanced thinking systems that can be unleashed autonomously annd how close we were to those and now your pivot is to dirt cheap low cost forward edge of the battle area systems. Those are not the same thing.
Well, since you seem to be asserting that the explosion in sUAS and AI and their intersection are no big deal, minimal impact on strategy & tactics, etc., we’ll just have to see how it plays out.
 

Lawman

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Well, since you seem to be asserting that the explosion in sUAS and AI and their intersection are no big deal, minimal impact on strategy & tactics, etc., we’ll just have to see how it plays out.
No we’re calling your and others assertion that something like drones doing the job of Tow missiles and light artillery is somehow “game changing” and “revolutionary,” is neither and you are over inflating the impact they’ve had while minimizing the challenges they face.

Small armed drones have been collocated in our battle space for over a decade. So have counter sUAS systems. They didn’t suddenly close the air then anymore than they have now, and the assertion that the rest of the multidomain ecosphere is just standing around unprepared to deal with it is a departure from reality.

There are far more terrifying places that AI is making an impact on the battlefield than drones.
 

taxi1

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pilot
No we’re calling your and others assertion that something like drones doing the job of Tow missiles and light artillery is somehow “game changing” and “revolutionary,” is neither and you are over inflating the impact they’ve had while minimizing the challenges they face.
So...no big deal, right?

Let's see how it plays out.
 

Lawman

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So...no big deal, right?

Let's see how it plays out.
Wow what an informed post.

Nobody could possibly think of an effective counter to this new and dominating weapon system, just they didn’t think of one for the cruise missile, gps guided munitions, air delivered bombardment, or for that matter the crossbow.

You guys have become the new bomber Mafia.
 

Lawman

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Getting rid of 10-20% of our government civilian workforce certainly isn’t helping.
Go to any finance or ID card office and tell me that 20% of that workforce couldn’t be culled and achieve the same level of output.

Our acquisitions process is yet another example of the same systemic issue we have, people and corps are not asked to perform to any real metric and failure doesn’t hurt.
 

Brett327

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Go to any finance or ID card office and tell me that 20% of that workforce couldn’t be culled and achieve the same level of output.

Our acquisitions process is yet another example of the same systemic issue we have, people and corps are not asked to perform to any real metric and failure doesn’t hurt.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
 
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taxi1

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pilot
There are ways to improve efficiency. Cutting the workforce willy nilly isn't one of them,
It is bizarre going to meetings with our gov team members and seeing their decreasing numbers as they randomly take the DRP or get laid off. Critical people too, on one-person-deep teams. The killer is in contracts personnel. So many of them worked remotely and bailed rather than RTO.

You kill money movement, you kill the organization.
 

Lawman

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You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Sure Brett,

I didn’t just spend my time watching General Dynamics shovel 70 million dollars into a furnace as part of their operational test team to deliver yet another year of “not ready yet” from their product.

I don’t deal with intrenched civilians who haven’t been tactically relevant in 20 years at ACM and with a direct line to the GOSC saying dumb things like “all we need to worry about in the next war is small arms.” Those are the same people sitting on ONS and ignoring actual demands from the operational warfighter while they pursue pet projects like Spike.

SRD at Huntsville wants money to “test” radios already carried on the back of our aircraft by the ground force that moves inside them. There won’t be any actual aircraft or radios involved in the testing, but until it’s done (IE money changes hands) that piece of paper for air worthiness is withheld.


I’m not a F’ing Lt boss. I get to deal with roadblocks from people who need to just retire and go fishing every day. There is more than enough people who don’t need to be here taking up oxygen in the room.

The shield of “my value in experience” is chaff offered by many to excuse them taking their hands off the oars but still keeping a seat in the boat.
 
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BigRed389

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Sure Brett,

I didn’t just spend my time watching General Dynamics shovel 70 million dollars into a furnace as part of their operational test team to deliver yet another year of “not ready yet” from their product.

I don’t deal with intrenched civilians who haven’t been tactically relevant in 20 years at ACM and with a direct line to the GOSC saying dumb things like “all we need to worry about in the next war is small arms.”


I’m not a F’ing Lt boss. I get to deal with roadblocks from people who need to just retire and go fishing every damn day. There is more than enough people who don’t need to be here taking up oxygen in the room.

The shield of “my experience” is chaff offered by many to excuse them taking their hands off the oars but still keeping a seat in the boat.
There is absolutely room to shed a lot of low performers. I’d even argue workforce restructuring, to include an overall reduction makes sense.

The problem is they’ve done nothing to actually allow a thought out restructuring. The contracts shop example is a perfect case. Don’t have people to sign contracts or move money? Work just doesn’t get done.

From the world of IAMD, the dissonance of senior leadership wanting to throw ludicrous amounts of dollars to fix problems people have been pointing out for decades focused on GWOT dunking on people who can’t shoot back (rebuild guided munitions base! Golden Dome! Shipbuilding!), without providing any support or even long term vision of how to rebuild the workforce needed to enable it…well, it’s a head scratcher. All while we are shooting absolutely absurd numbers of missiles.
 

Lawman

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There is absolutely room to shed a lot of low performers. I’d even argue workforce restructuring, to include an overall reduction makes sense.

The problem is they’ve done nothing to actually allow a thought out restructuring. The contracts shop example is a perfect case. Don’t have people to sign contracts or move money? Work just doesn’t get done.

From the world of IAMD, the dissonance of senior leadership wanting to throw ludicrous amounts of dollars to fix problems people have been pointing out for decades focused on GWOT dunking on people who can’t shoot back (rebuild guided munitions base! Golden Dome! Shipbuilding!), without providing any support or even long term vision of how to rebuild the workforce needed to enable it…well, it’s a head scratcher. All while we are shooting absolutely absurd numbers of missiles.
Which is why I’m a fan of people like Alex Miller in have been some of the largest change agents. That GD project we’ve been hemorrhaging money on? He’s the one that took the PMs money after we embarrassed them to the SecArmy. This was after watching their engineers ignore our feedback for three years so it was gratifying to say the least. ACM-RA is the same problem. They have a green suit LtCol who is effectively just a mouthpiece for an entrenched GS15, and that guy retiring will move us forward a decade, because he refuses to go into the scif and see the problems we’re asking to solve through the needs statements they’ve been receiving.

The problem isn’t that we have a civilian workforce, it’s that we have a lot of our civilian work force being guys who got tired of shaving or pt tests, found a job that pays 3 times as much to work 6 hours, and now they’re being asked what have you done to a pikachu face. Or its people that stopped reading the mail they were getting from those people telling them the problems they face. Those people need to produce or go.
 

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