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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

taxi1 said:
www.nytimes.com

Trump Administration to Dismantle Ocean Monitoring System

The $368 million network of instruments collecting data in both the Atlantic and Pacific has been critical to climate and ocean research.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Apart from the pure, mind-numbing stupidity of this, it would seem that having really good oceanographic data in the GUIK Gap would be beneficial.

We are going to uproot all these ocean sensors that are already there, all around the world.

WTF?
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Fast forward to 10 years from now…

“How could [insert disaster here] happen? How could we not see this coming?”

:rolleyes:
 
I'm actually for this as it will make things more efficient. Now our subs won't spend 5 days tracking a suspect contact only to find out it was a weather buoy.

True story.
 
sevenhelmet said:
Fast forward to 10 years from now…

“How could [insert disaster here] happen? How could we not see this coming?”
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That's the point, there's no problem if there is no data to say one exists.

Gatordev said:
I'm actually for this as it will make things more efficient. Now our subs won't spend 5 days tracking a suspect contact only to find out it was a weather buoy.

True story.
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Was the contact at 9000 ft? Sounds like some of these things are moored really deep.
 

Palmer is clearly a brilliant military mind. Where is Naval Aviation / BB / CNO in hosting this great mind? This is the guy you need to appear at the Weapons Schools, Hook, NHA.
 
taxi1 said:
www.nytimes.com

Trump Administration to Dismantle Ocean Monitoring System

The $368 million network of instruments collecting data in both the Atlantic and Pacific has been critical to climate and ocean research.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Apart from the pure, mind-numbing stupidity of this, it would seem that having really good oceanographic data in the GUIK Gap would be beneficial.

We are going to uproot all these ocean sensors that are already there, all around the world.

WTF?
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"Scientists have used data from the system to understand how the ocean is absorbing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, how changes in ocean temperature such as marine heat waves might affect fisheries or signal bigger shifts in the climate, and coastal flooding along the East Coast."

Did I miss the part of the article that said they were dismantling the SOSUS arrays too?
 
robav8r said:
"Scientists have used data from the system to understand how the ocean is absorbing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, how changes in ocean temperature such as marine heat waves might affect fisheries or signal bigger shifts in the climate, and coastal flooding along the East Coast."

Did I miss the part of the article that said they were dismantling the SOSUS arrays too?
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The article didn't say anything about defense applications, but it'd take a moron to not realize that the sensor data could used to develop improved models and simulations of the ocean's behavior throughout the water column, which has applicability for DoW applications.
 
taxi1 said:
The article didn't say anything about defense applications, but it'd take a moron to not realize that the sensor data could used to develop improved models and simulations of the ocean's behavior throughout the water column, which has applicability for DoW applications.
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Sure. We have an entire industry and segment of the population that will trip over themselves telling everyone how all things “climate change” need to be listened to, and acted upon, NOW. Give me real time water column data, locations of warm/cold core eddy’s, and target data. I don’t need to know what the carbon footprint of all the mini coopers in the UK is and how it might impact biological ambient noise projections in 25 years. GMAFB.
 
robav8r said:
Sure. We have an entire industry and segment of the population that will trip over themselves telling everyone how all things “climate change” need to be listened to, and acted upon, NOW. Give me real time water column data, locations of warm/cold core eddy’s, and target data. I don’t need to know what the carbon footprint of all the mini coopers in the UK is and how it might impact biological ambient noise projections in 25 years. GMAFB
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Asking Gemini "How is data generated by the Global Irminger Sea Array used by the us navy?"...

Data from the Global Irminger Sea Array is used by the U.S. Navy primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and acoustic intelligence. The Navy leverages the array's long-term, high-fidelity physical and acoustic monitoring for several critical defense applications: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Submarine Acoustics & Sound Propagation: The Irminger Sea is characterized by complex thermohaline circulation (water masses colliding and sinking). The array’s hydrophones and temperature-salinity sensors measure how these deep-water currents alter the ocean's sound speed structure. By understanding exactly how acoustic signals bounce and refract below \(1 \text{ km}\), the Navy can better predict sound travel for submarine detection and stealth. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Sonar Optimization: The Ocean Observatories Initiative provides free, open-access meteorological and oceanographic data. The Navy uses this in situ data to fine-tune active and passive sonar systems. Knowing the precise density, temperature, and salinity of the water column helps calibrate sonar arrays to detect foreign submarines while minimizing false readings. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Naval Oceanography and Modeling: The array acts as a permanent environmental watchtower in an otherwise stormy, under-sampled region. The Navy utilizes these constant data streams to improve operational models (such as the Navy's Global Ocean Forecast System) to map out currents, eddies, and ocean temperature gradients that affect surface and subsurface vessel navigation. [1, 2]
  • Next-Generation Sensor Integration: The U.S. Navy partners closely with oceanographic institutions, like the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, which operate and service these arrays. Research data from these extreme northern deployments directly informs the design and deployment of the Navy's autonomous, uncrewed underwater vehicles (UUVs) and next-generation sensor networks.
 
taxi1 said:
Asking Gemini "How is data generated by the Global Irminger Sea Array used by the us navy?"...

Data from the Global Irminger Sea Array is used by the U.S. Navy primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and acoustic intelligence. The Navy leverages the array's long-term, high-fidelity physical and acoustic monitoring for several critical defense applications: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Submarine Acoustics & Sound Propagation: The Irminger Sea is characterized by complex thermohaline circulation (water masses colliding and sinking). The array’s hydrophones and temperature-salinity sensors measure how these deep-water currents alter the ocean's sound speed structure. By understanding exactly how acoustic signals bounce and refract below \(1 \text{ km}\), the Navy can better predict sound travel for submarine detection and stealth. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Sonar Optimization: The Ocean Observatories Initiative provides free, open-access meteorological and oceanographic data. The Navy uses this in situ data to fine-tune active and passive sonar systems. Knowing the precise density, temperature, and salinity of the water column helps calibrate sonar arrays to detect foreign submarines while minimizing false readings. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Naval Oceanography and Modeling: The array acts as a permanent environmental watchtower in an otherwise stormy, under-sampled region. The Navy utilizes these constant data streams to improve operational models (such as the Navy's Global Ocean Forecast System) to map out currents, eddies, and ocean temperature gradients that affect surface and subsurface vessel navigation. [1, 2]
  • Next-Generation Sensor Integration: The U.S. Navy partners closely with oceanographic institutions, like the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, which operate and service these arrays. Research data from these extreme northern deployments directly informs the design and deployment of the Navy's autonomous, uncrewed underwater vehicles (UUVs) and next-generation sensor networks.
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"Submarine acoustics are woke bullshit."
 
taxi1 said:
The array’s hydrophones and temperature-salinity sensors measure how these deep-water currents alter the ocean's sound speed structure.
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I'm not arguing the importance of sensors, but I think Gemini might have misunderstood this one... Hydrophones don't measure the SVP, they utilize it.

Flash said:
Was the contact at 9000 ft? Sounds like some of these things are moored really deep.
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Looking at the NOAA Bathymetric map, water depth was in the neighborhood of 4,000m. I think everyone's reaction was the same during that daily Intel brief...

"Damn, how long is the anchor rode?"
 
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