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OCS “TMG” - CandiO Reserves?

Apologies if this is in the wrong category. I’ve been wanting to post here for a while now but I keep putting it off. So, let me start from the beginning without getting TOO identifiable:

Graduated OCS several months ago, have been to therapy 6 years ago so therefore need a waiver. Whatever. Flight doc said my situation would be absolutely no problem, easy to get a waiver. Fast forward, finish my psych appt. 2 weeks after graduation, commissioning any day surely. She says waiver recommended, no big deal. Tells me a story of a guy who, at TWO YEARS OLD, went to family therapy and therefore needed a waiver for that. Cool story doc. My package to this very day has been sitting on flight doc’s desk not at NAMI yet, no big deal. I’m one of 2 holdouts from my class still not at NAMI. Visit home for the holidays, visit home for the holidays again, exchange gifts, happy holidays, now back to windy freezing RI. No big deal.

Those who don’t know, TMG stands for Talent Management Group and it’s where all the graduates who can’t immediately commission, mostly for medical clearance reasons, get put. We are also grouped with DORs who are getting out as well as people removed from training for medical purposes or attrition. They’ve done away with RHC. We muster on weekdays at 8:15 for a roll-call, and occasionally we’re on a duty section but largely our days are mind-numbingly boring. Study for NIFE, play video games, go to the gym, do whatever.

That is, until everyone got back from the holidays and we were informed that all the TMG graduates will be pulled for CandiO duties from January 16 to January 24. Evidently the powers that be left a CandiO vacuum during that time so we are the poor souls who have to be CandiOs twice during our time in RI. Now it’s only 8 days and the big billets have been double-booked since there are roughly 160 people in TMG right now, mostly grads. So, ultimately not much more work and probably even a nice change of pace for some. It’ll be interesting to see the Ensigns waiting on orders among us get attention-on-decked from the indocs, lol. Also interesting to think about what they’re gonna do to punish us if we screw up. Demerits at OCS for graduates? Imagine that, haha.

At the same time though it’s got me wondering. I have been here about twice as long as OCS is supposed to take, losing out on thousands of dollars in O-1 salary that I supposedly earned going through the program, and since I’m not medically cleared there is no getting that money back. Seeing all the people from classes that graduated after me get commissioned and head to Pensacola is super disheartening and the old saying “slow-motion is better than no-motion” loses its edge after a certain amount of time has passed. Call it a conspiracy theory but is it possible someone higher up purposefully held people back just to be a pool of CandiOs for this month? I mean, certainly they would have known the OCS schedule would leave a candiO vacuum well in advance, and what else could they do but inflate TMG to take up the slack?

Thus ends my rant. Fair winds and following seas, from Newport.
 

Brett327

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we are the poor souls who have to be CandiOs twice during our time in RI.
You poor thing.

since I’m not medically cleared there is no getting that money back
It isn't yours to get back. You haven't earned it as a commissioned officer yet. You get paid as an E5 at OCS.

Call it a conspiracy theory but is it possible someone higher up purposefully held people back just to be a pool of CandiOs for this month?
This is an insane proposition. Please get a grip.

I don't mean to beat you about the head and shoulders, but this kind of wanking isn't productive. I know it sucks to be on med hold, but your status will be resolved one way or another. Try to lighten up and focus on what you can control. You're getting a paycheck, room and board for doing very little actual work. If you think this is hard, wait until you get to flight school.
 
You poor thing.


It isn't yours to get back. You haven't earned it as a commissioned officer yet. You get paid as an E5 at OCS.


This is an insane proposition. Please get a grip.

I don't mean to beat you about the head and shoulders, but this kind of wanking isn't productive. I know it sucks to be on med hold, but your status will be resolved one way or another. Try to lighten up and focus on what you can control. You're getting a paycheck, room and board for doing very little actual work. If you think this is hard, wait until you get to flight school.
Hey, don’t get it twisted I still have a positive outlook. I mean I did say, not much more work, a nice change of pace. Guess I should’ve put “poor souls” in quotes, it‘s only 8 days and CandiO responsibilities are pretty easy. And I said call it a conspiracy theory, do I seriously believe that’s what’s happening? No. It’s funny to think about if it was true, that’s all. At the end of the day, I don’t find TMG hard at all, it just sucks. And sure, embrace the suck, I get that.

I brought home more as a civilian and gave that up to follow my dreams, no big deal. Once I do get cleared and commission, it’ll be far better for me than where I was previously, trust me I’m looking forward to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I’m not jaded about it, there’s just nothing to do except vent. Do I feel that I’ve earned a commission? Absolutely. As far as I‘m concerned, all the folks who did get sent home medically after graduation earned a commission too, they just weren’t medically fit. Those folks knew straight from the time they saw flight doc that they might have issues, whereas flight doc told me it’d be easy PZ. Technically, I might be found NPQ as well, and I accept that possibility too. That doesn’t change the fact that we all went through the program and graduated fair & square.

If there’s anything that being here for months on-end without answers teaches you, it’s not to take things too serious. So, don‘t take my rant too serious. It’s just a rant. I do appreciate your down to earth reply.
 

johnpauljones1776

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How many people are in TMG? how many of them are not DORs/attrites?
I would recommend enjoying your time in Newport/New England area and abusing that liberty radius to the best of your ability
 
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Sonog

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Hey, don’t get it twisted I still have a positive outlook. I mean I did say, not much more work, a nice change of pace. Guess I should’ve put “poor souls” in quotes, it‘s only 8 days and CandiO responsibilities are pretty easy. And I said call it a conspiracy theory, do I seriously believe that’s what’s happening? No. It’s funny to think about if it was true, that’s all. At the end of the day, I don’t find TMG hard at all, it just sucks. And sure, embrace the suck, I get that.

I brought home more as a civilian and gave that up to follow my dreams, no big deal. Once I do get cleared and commission, it’ll be far better for me than where I was previously, trust me I’m looking forward to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I’m not jaded about it, there’s just nothing to do except vent. Do I feel that I’ve earned a commission? Absolutely. As far as I‘m concerned, all the folks who did get sent home medically after graduation earned a commission too, they just weren’t medically fit. Those folks knew straight from the time they saw flight doc that they might have issues, whereas flight doc told me it’d be easy PZ. Technically, I might be found NPQ as well, and I accept that possibility too. That doesn’t change the fact that we all went through the program and graduated fair & square.

If there’s anything that being here for months on-end without answers teaches you, it’s not to take things too serious. So, don‘t take my rant too serious. It’s just a rant. I do appreciate your down to earth reply.

Would you say "Hey" to the CO of OCS? Who do you think your audience is here? lol

If you're hoping to go to flight school and have success, start training yourself on these phrases when you receive criticism: Got it. Copy. Understood.
 

Griz882

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What was the whole purpose of the post? Just enjoy the down time and on the bright side you are still in the OCS process and not just sent home.
Enjoy the paycheck, benefits, and free time if possible. Be ready to make a difference when the time comes.
I get it, but everybody gets to gripe now and then. It is a time honored right - say your peace, throw that pity party, and get back to work.
 

ScottL

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Man, I recommend getting up to Boston whenever you are able. You can ride any of the MBTA trains or buses for free with your military ID. Go up to Providence and catch a train. Get around on foot and all that. I know it gets boring after a while and you have been there through the dookiest of seasons but get out there and burn through your cash like a new guy is supposed to!
 

Mouselovr

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Thus ends my rant. Fair winds and following seas, from Newport.
Man I can relate to your post.
TMG, or as we used to call it, Student Pool, is a mentally challenging place. There's a ton of waiting and anticipation before OCS then its super high adrenaline making your way through tests and events until you graduate..... your friends all leave and commission.... and you're left behind.

You've been waiver recommended so you will med clear. You are going to get down to Pensacola and join your friends and start flight school. I'm not going to tell you "back in my day in Stupool its sucked even HARDER" bc that serves no purpose and you've got your own brand of frustration.... but the master chief in charge was the real-life human embodiment of Dolores Umbridge and made our lives as unpleasant as possible. Pink office n all. We look back on it and laugh now.

I'd be extremely surprised if there was intentionality behind your delays.... more likely you got caught up in NAMI shenanigans that was 0% your fault.
As for the pay loss...... no dice. Girl I was in the pool with waited 18 months as an E5 before med clearing.....

The one point I will give you grief on is NAMI does not require a waiver for just going to therapy. Something in your records was a disqualifying condition warranting a waiver.

You're going to do a lot of frustrating sitting around in the navy and in between flight school. It is a lot more fun being paid as an O1 in Pensacola, but its still doing nothing in a different environment.

Keep a chin up, try to make the best of it... and TMG will feel like a distant memory soon enough.
 
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AllAmerican75

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How many people are in TMG? how many of them are not DORs/attrites?
I would recommend enjoying your time in Newport/New England area and abusing that liberty radius to the best of your ability
1 Pelham East was the best bar in the area when I was at OCS. The Black Pearl has the world's best clam chowder. The Narragansett Brewery is a fantastic time. Battleship Cove is always a cool day trip. There are tons of great things to do in Newport and the surrounding area.
 

wonderb0iwl

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Thus ends my rant. Fair winds and following seas, from Newport.
Yeah I remember when I graduated I wanted to get tf out of Newport and start flight school ASAP, far away from all the DIs and RDCs. Now that I’m in it I realize there is no rush. Like mouse said if you’re in Pensacola all you’re gonna be doing is waiting and standing watches for the next 6 months anyway: And as hard as it is to imagine I actually miss Newport sometimes, it’s a beautiful place.
 
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