looks like they won't be needing that useless emergency procedures information anyway....
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123011060
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123011060
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AF student pilots receive NJP
- Thread starter hobbs053
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The problem with AF emergecy procedures quizzes:
They are not quizzing you on either emergencies or procedures. These things are very deceptive and certainly from my experience at Vance, they are not doing what their name implies. You are given a list of subjects to study for each one beforehand. On just about every test, they either asked questions about the most obscure/irrevalent parts of what they told you to study or asked about things that were not on the list to study. Add on top of that, if you didn't get an 85% or better, you didn't fly till you did.
So honestly, seeing this report doesn't suprise me one bit considering the cut-throat nature of primary flight training (37s are AF version of primary/intermediate). I wish there were more details to say exactly what they did/ how they did it/who "caught" them (I'm almost willing to bet a classmate turned them in to better their stock, but this is only me speculating), b/c that article is EXTREMELY vague.
They are not quizzing you on either emergencies or procedures. These things are very deceptive and certainly from my experience at Vance, they are not doing what their name implies. You are given a list of subjects to study for each one beforehand. On just about every test, they either asked questions about the most obscure/irrevalent parts of what they told you to study or asked about things that were not on the list to study. Add on top of that, if you didn't get an 85% or better, you didn't fly till you did.
So honestly, seeing this report doesn't suprise me one bit considering the cut-throat nature of primary flight training (37s are AF version of primary/intermediate). I wish there were more details to say exactly what they did/ how they did it/who "caught" them (I'm almost willing to bet a classmate turned them in to better their stock, but this is only me speculating), b/c that article is EXTREMELY vague.
This has been ongoing for awhile... I heard about this through the grapevine back in March before it was made public...
Hell the EP test I took here at Corpus had several wrong answers on it. But I can't let a chance to sh!t on the air farce pass by, Jaxs is probably right about the fellow stud. And since its on the AF website, its probably tailored to instill fear in other studs. Maybe?
gaijin6423
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I'm sure everyone's heard the old sayings:
1. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' hard enough.
2. Only the dumb ones get caught.
Granted, we dont have all the details here, but to me it seems kind of dumb to cheat on a test related to something that will save your life. Or is that just me? If it was a STUD who ratted them out, though... Well, it would seem that playground rules should apply: Beat the fVcker senseless, take his lunch money, and sing little rhymes while he/she cries!
I think, perhaps, that things over on that side of the house are still a little touchy after the whole Lt Napoleon thing. Oh well, whatever.
1. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' hard enough.
2. Only the dumb ones get caught.
Granted, we dont have all the details here, but to me it seems kind of dumb to cheat on a test related to something that will save your life. Or is that just me? If it was a STUD who ratted them out, though... Well, it would seem that playground rules should apply: Beat the fVcker senseless, take his lunch money, and sing little rhymes while he/she cries!
I think, perhaps, that things over on that side of the house are still a little touchy after the whole Lt Napoleon thing. Oh well, whatever.
I wonder if there is gouge in Air Force flight training and if used, is it considered cheating? I remember the only test I failed during flight school was the aero exam at VT-31. I had heard that the best way to pass it was to use the gouge. I decided to go at it alone and ended up with a 72%, mostly because I'm a rock. I have to go see the student control officer and he throws in front of me the gouge and says to use it. I think I got a 96% on the retake. Live by the gouge, die by it, survive by it.
I'd like to know how they were cheating. Were they turning to the next guy and saying,"Dude, was that land as soon as practicable or possible?" or were they bringing crib sheets, PCLs, etc in?
snake11eyes
USAF
bunk22 said:
It's much more serious in the AF. It still occurs, but unofficially (from what I've been told)
There's WAY more to this story than that article presents. Baseops.net has had a lot of good threads covering it. Go over there and use the search function, keyword "gouge". Bottom line, there were guys with the actual tests and the answers on crib sheets.
They are not quizzing you on either emergencies or procedures. These things are very deceptive and certainly from my experience at Vance, they are not doing what their name implies. You are given a list of subjects to study for each one beforehand. On just about every test, they either asked questions about the most obscure/irrevalent parts of what they told you to study or asked about things that were not on the list to study. Add on top of that, if you didn't get an 85% or better, you didn't fly till you did.
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