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Basic Outline of SNA/SNFO Pipelines

UMichfly

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Tonight I was talking to someone and got sick of the perpetual asking of the same questions (What is API, What is primary, blah blah blah) and so I used the magic of the Googles to find the following site. It's pretty basic but I think it's a pretty good canned overview of the pipelines that at least gets people who are 100% clueless up to at least a basic understanding of what the fvck flight school is all about.

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/training.htm

Standard Disclaimer: If this is a repost, UMichfly apologizes to the families of all who were inconvenienced and gives permission for his post to be deleted/mocked repeatedly :D.
 

TheBubba

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Sites a bit outdated, but the basics are there. The only jet pipelines that are open for SNFOs now are Prowlers or Super Hornets. And VT-4 and VT-10 no longer fly the T-34.
 

HH-60H

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Sites a bit outdated, but the basics are there. The only jet pipelines that are open for SNFOs now are Prowlers or Super Hornets. And VT-4 and VT-10 no longer fly the T-34.

It's on the CNATRA site, it must be correct.
 

TheBubba

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It's on the CNATRA site, it must be correct.

So what you're telling me is that no matter what the reality of the situation actually is, the CNATRA website trumps what my own eyeballs tell me?

I knew there was something fishy going on...
 

et1nuke

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What are the the real pipeline options as of today? I've been trying to glean this from reading all the previous discussions and everything available on the net. Can that question even be answered definitively or is everything simply in flux in the aviation world and it will all change by the time you select anyhow?
 

TheBubba

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Prowler/Super Hornet pipeline:

Primary/Intermediate: VT-4/VT-10 (About 6 months)
Advanced: VT-86 (6-8 months depending on selection)

From here, I'lll let one of the Rhino guys take it.

But for Prowler guys: After winging:
AVEWS (11-12 weeks)
VAQ-129 (have no clue)

As for selections, Navy guys select after Primary. This time last year, the choices on the sheet were CVW or Panel Nav. The next is at the end of Intermediate: Hawkeyes or jets. Jet guys go over to VT-86 for advanced. After re-attacks (intro to air to air stuff) Navy and USMC will select strike (Prowlers) or strike-fighter (Hornets/ Super Hornets).

Those who select strike go on to T-2s (end of Advanced). Strike fighter selectees go on to more air to air stuff in the T-39 and then go to T-2s.

In primary you'll fly the T-6, learning procedures and instrument navigation.

Intermediate, you'll stay in the T-6, refining instrument procedures and get an intro to low level visual navigation and handling a section. After that, you'll move into the T-1, with more practice on instrument navigation and low level procedures. T-1s is the first time your instructor is a NFO/WSO.

Advanced you fly the T-39. More practice in the low level environment, but with a ground mapping radar involved. After that, you'll get an intro to air to air stuff. Basic radar usage, talking to a GCI controller and finding another plane in space. Big exercise in CRM. Strike fighter guys will do more air to air, strike guys are done with T-39s after this.
After completeing the T-39 syllabus, all USN/USMC/foreign students get time in the T-2 (yes, its still around). More practice handling a section, this time in the low level environment. Also, you get exposed to handling a division as well as how weapons employment can affect flight planning (all drops are simulated). Last 6 flights as an SNFO are BFM show and tell, with the student actually running the fight on the last 3 hops.

Hope it helps,
Bubba
 

UMichfly

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It's a Navy website...the fact that it's even within 2 years of current is impressive to me. It's close enough to give people a general idea of the pipeline which can later be unfvcked to be 100% correct using fancy details like TheBubba's.
 
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