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Be ware, the Marines are coming to Australia

flaps

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Be ware, the Marines are coming to Australia!!!!
U.S. Marines to Be Based in Darwin: Report

By MARTIN PARRY, AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 11 Nov 2011 12:39

SYDNEY - U.S. President Barack Obama will use a visit to Australia next week to announce that America will station U.S. Marines in Darwin, ministers indicated Nov. 11, in a sign of heightened concern about China.

The Sydney Morning Herald said that the new permanent military presence had been under consideration for some years as Washington looks to boost its Pacific Command, and senior Australian politicians did not deny the plan.

The U.S. currently has only a limited deployment in longstanding ally Australia, including the Pine Gap Joint Defence Facility spy station near Alice Springs, and the move represents a potentially significant geo-strategic shift.

"It is important to wait for the president to visit Australia and for him and the prime minister to confirm what further defense cooperation arrangements we may have planned," said Australia's Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd.

He added: "It has always made national security sense to have a strong security alliance with America."

Pentagon spokesman George Little declined comment, saying only: "Australia is an American friend and ally, and we will continue to work together to foster even stronger military ties with one another."

Obama arrives here Nov. 16, visiting the capital Canberra before becoming the first U.S. president to travel to Darwin in the north.

The U.S. will not be building a new base in the city but instead will use the existing Robertson Barracks nearby, the report says.

The facility is home to some 4,500 Australian soldiers and will need to be expanded to cater to U.S. Marines, the Morning Herald said, citing sources who declined to detail how many troops or sailors would be rotating through.

The plan would intensify the 60-year military alliance, which has played a crucial part in anchoring the American influence in Asia, between the two countries.

In a speech to a national security workshop Nov. 11, Australian Defence Minister Stephen Smith said: "This would potentially see more ship visits, more visiting aircraft and more training and exercising through northern Australia."

It would also include "the pre-positioning of United States equipment in Australia," he added.

U.S. Marines are already based at Okinawa in Japan and on Guam as America's chief combat force in the Pacific theater, and analysts said the Australian move was largely a response to the rise of China.

Beijing is boosting its military spending and capabilities, and becoming increasingly assertive on the high seas where it claims sovereignty over essentially all of the South China Sea, a key global trading route.

"China looms very large for both Australia and the U.S.," said Geoffrey Garrett, chief executive of the U.S. Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, adding that the U.S. strategy had two elements.

"The first concerns strengthening America's alliances and friendships in the region as an insurance policy that China's until now very peaceful rise changes course," he said.

"The second is trying to build a regional economic architecture for the Asia-Pacific based on the market principles of America and Australia that China over time will have powerful incentives to join, even if this entails domestic reforms it has been unwilling to undertake up until now."

Asked about the U.S. potentially stationing troops in Australia, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Beijing had noted the reports.

"We hope that bilateral cooperation between relevant countries will be conducive to peace and stability of the Asia-Pacific region," he said.

Andrew Shearer, the director of studies at the Lowy Institute for International Policy, said the move was "not all about China."

"Everyone draws the China connection but it's as much to do with the rise of India as well," he said. "It's not all about defense, but to be able to conduct disaster relief, counter piracy and keep shipping lanes free."
 

Uncle Fester

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Well, this is one way to set back US-Oz relations. :)

With the coming budget crunch, I think we're going to see a lot more forward-deploying in the coming decade. Fewer ships means either you accept less time-on-station, or reduce transit time. Personally, I can't imagine too many sailors would object to a move to Australia.
 

flaps

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spent my r&r from vietnam there. great place. great folks.
only mistake i made was to try to out drink them.
:(
 

Flugelman

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Ever been to Darwin? We refueled there once while supporting 7th Fleet ops out of Hobart. Place looks pretty desolate. Although liberty anywhere in Oz should be pretty good.
 

helolumpy

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Does this mean that Guam is not getting as many Marines as previously planned or are we plus'ing up I/III MEF?
 

Uncle Fester

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It sounds more like a permanent det site than a base, at least for the time being. But seeing as how the Okinawans are very pointedly gesturing us toward the door, there's not that much room on Guam, and Darwin is a pretty good staging area for SEA, I think it'll probably evolve in time into something more permament. Assuming everyone plays nice.
 

Flash

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We had a plane deploy to Darwin for a month and it wasn't the land of milk and honey that other parts of Australia is, pretty desolate and not too many people in that neck of the woods as was mentioned. Then there was the giant psycho spider that attacked the car some of the guys were riding in, as they were driving. But hey, it is Australia and it ain't Alice Springs (literally middle of the Outback) but unfortunately it isn't Perth or Melbourne either.
 

lowflier03

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Well that would royally F'up our relations with them. And its such a great place too. Just look at every other place around the world with Marines and how our relations have gone. Just wait till they show up in Guam.

Of course the small condolence is that the people stationed there should be able to bring their families with them.
 

MIDNJAC

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Probably a cool deal for my friends in green. Interesting development though....POTUS must be taking them pretty seriously right now
 

phrogdriver

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Not a bad deal. As far as being a crisis-response staging area, though, Australia's almost as far from North Korea as Hawaii.
 
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