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CH-53E vs. CH-46E
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46Driver
"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Tough call. The transport (excuse me, assault!) communities are very similiar. The 53 is a great machine. You can do a lot of long range, special ops missions that no other machine can. Also, its going to be around for a long time.
The 46 is a blast - covered in armor, its like flying the bus in the Clint Eastwood movie "The Gauntlet". Lots of formation flying.
As for the nuts and bolts, generally 53 bubbas detach and re-attach quite often between their parent HMH squadron and the deploying HMM squadron. One of my 53 buds spent more time in a 46 squadron than a 53 squadron. The 46 guys stay in one squadron for the entire time and thus have a more definite schedule. One other benefit is due to B-Billets. 46's fly Search and Rescue at some of the Jet bases, (Beaufort, etc..) and also become the station pilots which means they get to fly the C-12 (or is it a Gulfstream jet now?)
Anyway, you will have a good time with either aircraft. I suggest you decide on a location first and then aircraft second. Good Luck.
The 46 is a blast - covered in armor, its like flying the bus in the Clint Eastwood movie "The Gauntlet". Lots of formation flying.
As for the nuts and bolts, generally 53 bubbas detach and re-attach quite often between their parent HMH squadron and the deploying HMM squadron. One of my 53 buds spent more time in a 46 squadron than a 53 squadron. The 46 guys stay in one squadron for the entire time and thus have a more definite schedule. One other benefit is due to B-Billets. 46's fly Search and Rescue at some of the Jet bases, (Beaufort, etc..) and also become the station pilots which means they get to fly the C-12 (or is it a Gulfstream jet now?)
Anyway, you will have a good time with either aircraft. I suggest you decide on a location first and then aircraft second. Good Luck.
Same considerations, but I would have to differ on selections. Put your desired mission, i.e. Assault or HML/A, first, then location. If you want to carry troops into LZs put 46, then 53, then UH, then AH, as an example. If you want to shoot, go AH, then UH, then 46 then 53.
Phrogs phorever
Phrogs phorever
Let me throw on my two cents. As far as missions go, our primary mission is Heavy Lift Assault Support. That means that we carry all of the crap into theater (flying semi-truck). Our secondary mission is carryong the troops in. But recently the joint commanders have realized how valuable an asset Marine Corps Heavy Lift is, and we are being tasked like crazy. The phrogs, on the other hand (correct me if I'm wrong) have the primary mission of carrying Marines. If that is what you want to do then put down 46's. If want to do a little bit of everything pick 53's
Personally I love my a/c. It's all about the power. I've got good friends that fly phrogs, they feel the same way about theirs.
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Big Iron
Marine Helo Pilot
Personally I love my a/c. It's all about the power. I've got good friends that fly phrogs, they feel the same way about theirs.
Q
Big Iron
Marine Helo Pilot
46Driver
"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
East Coast: (MCAS New River) CH-46E (6 squadrons), CH-53E (2 squadrons), AH-1W/UH-1N (2 squadrons)
West Coast: (MCAS Mirimar) CH-46E (4 squadrons), CH-53E (4 squadrons)
West Coast: (Camp Pendleton) CH-46E (2 squadrons), AH-1W/UH-1N (4 squadrons)
Hawaii: CH-53D (either 3 or 4 squadrons)
Okinawa: CH-46E (2 squadrons) + UDP's from the West Coast of 53E's and skids
The FRS's are located at Pendleton (skids and 46's), Hawaii (53D's) and New River (53E's)
I think I have most of this correct - some may have changed.
West Coast: (MCAS Mirimar) CH-46E (4 squadrons), CH-53E (4 squadrons)
West Coast: (Camp Pendleton) CH-46E (2 squadrons), AH-1W/UH-1N (4 squadrons)
Hawaii: CH-53D (either 3 or 4 squadrons)
Okinawa: CH-46E (2 squadrons) + UDP's from the West Coast of 53E's and skids
The FRS's are located at Pendleton (skids and 46's), Hawaii (53D's) and New River (53E's)
I think I have most of this correct - some may have changed.
46Driver
"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Interesting news. Just found out from a bud (AMO from a West Coast Phrog squadrons) that the Corps is short H-46 airframes and is looking at bringing the retired Navy 46's out of the desert, sending them to SDLM at Cherry Point, and rebuilding the mothballed Navy H-46D's as Marine CH-46E's. Phrogs Phorever......
splendid_splinter
HMLA flyer
Nooooo.. they're supposed to be going the other direction.
46Driver
"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Well, since the V-22 is a replacement for the 46 and 53D, I thought I would post the link to this article in www.g2mil.com Almost at the bottom is a long, critical letter from Col Hammerle (CO of HMT-204 - the 46 FRS) Interesting times for Marine Aviation.
As with most things in life, the truth is probably between the extremes. There are professional military critics out there, and not all on the left. While I enjoy some articles on G2, you have to have some skepticism for the skeptics. The "cheap hawks" have shadowed the military since the 80s. Back then, they would have preferred us to buy small-deck, British-style aircraft carriers. They wanted us to buy the F-20 Tigershark (F-5 variant) over the F-16. The thought stealth was a waste of money. The Maverick missile was derided as a failure, as were the B-1 and the Bradley IFV. The Bradley was supposed to be a sitting duck for the enemy. It was the star of as many 60 Minutes segments as the V22. You'll remember all the smoking Bradleys in Gulf I and II--what? You don't remember? If we'd followed their lead, we'd have Russian-style armed forces with a whole lot of cheap, simple, P.O.S. gear.
A rock is the simplest and most reliable weapon there is. However, I'd still bet on the guy with the M-16, even if it jams every so often. Even if the Osprey doesn't do 2100NM inland as advertised, it'll still go a crapload further and faster than a H-60.
A rock is the simplest and most reliable weapon there is. However, I'd still bet on the guy with the M-16, even if it jams every so often. Even if the Osprey doesn't do 2100NM inland as advertised, it'll still go a crapload further and faster than a H-60.
46Driver
"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Arghhh, everybody else is out drinking beer and I'm stuck at home writing a research paper on American intervention in the Russian Civil War. Quite a few of the weapons systems that were planned didn't work out so well either. Army's DIVAD "Sgt York" self propelled AA gun, Navy's A-12 stealth attack aircraft, Air Force's B-1 program (unused in the Gulf War I, due to be phased out ahead of the B-52). The Marine Corps has had some debatable weapons systems (compare the Harrier to the Air Force's A-10) and some in developement (the Lightweight 155mm howitzer). As for the Osprey, it can go further and faster than the H-60, but I wager it is not as versatile (the H-60 can be configured as an impressive gunship), the H-60 can handle roles in confined areas and urban terrain, and the H-60 is affordable ($12M per copy) vs the V-22's ($68M and rising) However, I do think we will end up with the V-22. I hope it is successful because the Corps has bet the farm on it...
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