Consequences for Veterans and/or retirees in the 2021 DC Riots

[Sam I am]

I'm curious about the consequences that any retirees would/should face if they participated in the DC Riots at the Capital. Just saw on the news that the chap climbing over seats in the Senate chambers with zip cuffs is a retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel. So, what's going to happen to his benefits? Personally I think the consequences for participating in this event should be swift and severe. Thoughts?

A rioter seen in on the Senate floor in combat gear carrying zip-tie handcuffs has been identified as a decorated Air Force veteran

Ronan Farrow of the New Yorker identified Larry Rendall Brock Jr. as a former Lietenant Colonel in the US Air Force who claimed to have won medals.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[fc2spyguy]

Going for the zero defect retiree now? Where do you draw the line? Why aren’t the regular criminal consequences enough for you? Does this negate the 20+ years of honorable service that he completed?

my opinion is one is not linked to the other. He’s going to face consequences in criminal court proceedings. That’s enough in my mind.

 

[bubblehead]

A military retiree is subject to be obligatorily returned to active duty for reasons deemed appropriate by the military. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Defense Department's authority to prosecute retired service members for crimes they commit, even after retirement.

BT

I am really loving the crowdsourcing on identifying the rioters. Pure schadenfreude.

One of the rioters identified is an attorney who was fired from his job after being identified. I'm pretty sure his actions will also impact his law license as anyone who believes a lawyer has violated the State Bar's rules can file a grievance with the Office of Chief Disciplinary Counsel, the results of which can range from a temporary suspension of law license or disbarment.

 

[Waveoff]

My reaction to seeing everyone fall victim to the "fuck around and find out" effect boils down to "you hate to see it... /s".

 

[Sam I am]

Zero defect? I don't think expecting a retiree collecting a government pension and benefits to refrain from participating in activities that could be construed as overtaking the nation's capital building and interfering with governance is a particularly high standard to meet nor an unreasonable expectation. Pretty sure we all promised we wouldn't do that a few time in our careers.

EDIT: grammar

 

[Waveoff]

Does this negate the 20+ years of honorable service that he completed?

In terms of respect, honor, and discipline....yes

 

[sevenhelmet]

They broke the law, they should be prosecuted, just the same as other people caught breaking and entering, destroying public property, etc.

As far as retiree benefits, the precedent of witholding retiree benefits after criminal disloyalty to the United States could be applied here, though I wouldn't venture to say if that will happen. I even think a case for domestic terrorism can- and should- be made, but I have yet to see that charge be suggested publicly. Things are so bizarre these days, it's hard to know what standards will be upheld, which will be ignored, and which will be made up on the spot.

But I'm no expert, and if I were, the average American would know better anyway.

 

[Sam I am]

My reaction to seeing everyone fall victim to the "fuck around and find out" effect boils down to "you hate to see it... /s".

Can't lie, I was confused by your post until I googled it.

You Love to ‘Hate to See It’ (Published 2019)

It’s the phrase of the summer. Why do we hate to see it so often?

www.nytimes.com

 

[Sam I am]

Any JAG types care to opine on this topic?

 

[sevenhelmet]

Going for the zero defect retiree now? Where do you draw the line? Why aren’t the regular criminal consequences enough for you? Does this negate the 20+ years of honorable service that he completed?

my opinion is one is not linked to the other. He’s going to face consequences in criminal court proceedings. That’s enough in my mind.

Come on, man. Zero defect? It's not like they got stopped for a DUI or cheated on their taxes.

Yes, the way you conduct yourself after leaving military service can have consequences.

 

[hlg6016]

I do not think that any of these protesters are going to enjoy threir pending interactions with the DOJ and the Federal Courts.

 

[MIDNJAC]

He participated in an armed and violent attempt to overthrow the federal government, and is a traitor. I can think of few other crimes that are as serious for any citizen, let alone a military officer who recited the oath.

 

[Ghost SWO]

Just like @sevenhelmet said, they did something wrong they should pay the price, the same way everyone who rioted earlier in the year should pay the price for their crimes.

He participated in an armed and violent attempt to overthrow the federal government, and is a traitor. I can think of few other crimes that are as serious for any citizen, let alone a military officer who recited the oath.

I suppose that depends on how they defined, "support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

 

[Pags]

Just like @sevenhelmet said, they did something wrong they should pay the price, the same way everyone who rioted earlier in the year should pay the price for their crimes.


I suppose that depends on how they defined, "support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

Not up to the individual to determine who the enemy is. While some may feel that rival political parties are their enemy that's not the same as a legally recognized enemy of the state.

 

[nittany03]

I suppose that depends on how they defined, "support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

The entire point of that phrase in the oath is to defend against insurrection, not to commit it. If a retired O-5 is committing sedition, they should be recalled, sent to a general court-martial, and dismissed.