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Family is Sabotaging My Application Process and I am at an Utter Loss

lecdbt

New Member
So far I am on two recruiters.

Last year, my initial recruiter dropped me for reasons I didn't know why, stating in an email that he'd rather I focus on my health and refusing to elaborate.

I managed to find a second recruiter who told me that my first recruiter had dropped me because my mother had called him and said I didn't want to continue with the process, something that she strenuously denied happened.

I moving on to the second recruiter, but a few things happened.

The first time I went to meet my new recruiter to get my documents like birth certificate and ID photo-scanned, my mother insisted on coming along. I didn't think much of it at the time, but what was supposed to be a quick thirty minute affair turned into a three hour meeting when my mother began to lecture my recruiter on his own procedures and ethical guidelines followed by another long talk with my recruiter's superior officer.

At the time, she also asked me to not submit my documents for photo-scanning (although I did so anyways), which in hindsight might have been a red flag.

Fast forward to today, and I am informed by my recruiter that she has filed a complaint against him with his superior officer. The reason she tells me openly is that she thinks my recruiter didn't pre-screen me before MEPS and is telling me to conceal medical information and thus, as she puts it, "leading me down a path of criminality."

She is also going to file a lawsuit against the navy recruiting office in question and has even talked about going to the media about it (and yes, I am quite sure she has the resources to file this lawsuit and likely more of them).

My mother has never once said straight-up that she is against me joining and has claimed she's supportive, but her various actions in the meantime—from disparaging people who join in various ways to finding as many people/resources as possible to send to me who talk about the negatives of joining (to say nothing of what she's currently doing)—don't make me very confident in that claim.

The rest of my family more or less shares her general view on joining, even if I don't think they'd go quite as far as she has (and no, I don't think they'd tell her to cut it out if I asked them to do so).

Furthermore, it's quite obvious that her attempts at intimidation are working quite effectively—my current recruiter has stated that as long as I cannot get my mother to cease (which sounds unlikely to say the least) he won't risk his career for me and the navy won't bother using their lawyers' time on such matters. He has further stated that even if I do switch recruiters it'll be meaningless as my mother will simply file another complaint/lawsuit against the new one instead.

I am at an utter loss as to what to do, or even what I can possibly do.
 

gparks1989

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Wowzer, that's pretty unhinged. Keep on trucking if your recruiter is onboard, that is all I have to say. Those lawsuits - I would wager, as a non-lawyer - aren't going anywhere. Normally I say to have a normal dialogue with your family (mine wasn't jumping up and down with joy when I broached the topic, FWIW), but your mom seems untethered from reality.

EDIT

Missed the part about your recruiter saying they won't continue the process. Move to a new city, have an intervention with your mom, I dunno.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
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Pack a bag and walk the fuck out of that house. You can still love your mother, but that doesn’t mean she has control of your life. If you really want to mess with her, go enlist in the Marines and call her from boot camp to tell her of your decision.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
First and foremost, we are only going off your side of the story. I should emphasize there may be key details, either intentionally or not intentionally mentioned, that could impact this "story". The fact additional adults share the same opinion as your mom is a bit concerning.

With that said, you are a grown adult and do not need parental consent or input to join. Additionally, because you're not in the Navy, the Navy lawyers (JAGs) can't do anything other than advise you contact a personal attorney.

Right now, you priority should be to get out of the current situation with your mom, find a relative or someone else you can live with for the time being. The Navy is not a priority for you at this time until you can get that part squared away.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
I feel like there's a lot more to this story.

I agree and have seen personal experiences where the parent is actually in the right here. Applicant having no business joining (legal, medical issues, etc.) and the parent trying to "warn" recruiting command about it.
 

lecdbt

New Member
I agree and have seen personal experiences where the parent is actually in the right here. Applicant having no business joining (legal, medical issues, etc.) and the parent trying to "warn" recruiting command about it.
Well I certainly have no legal issues.

I might have some that require waivers or whatever but isn't it the job of MEPS and the medical screening process to catch such things?
 

Griz882

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Well I certainly have no legal issues.

I might have some that require waivers or whatever but isn't it the job of MEPS and the medical screening process to catch such things?
No need to engage in a debate. If you’re of age I seriously, strongly and entirely recommend you leave the control of your mother’s home. You don’t need to be angry about it, you don’t need to stomp around, just go and live your life. She’ll still love you and you’ll be better for it.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

Making Recruiting Great Again
Well I certainly have no legal issues.

I might have some that require waivers or whatever but isn't it the job of MEPS and the medical screening process to catch such things?

I suspect you have a condition/s that are disqualifying for service…

To answer your question, no it’s your responsibility to inform your recruiter during initial screening and/or filling out the questionnaire with your recruiter.

The fact you use the word “catch” is suspect of the story not being told here.
 

Brett327

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my mother insisted on coming along
You're an adult. Don't bring your mother when you talk to your recruiter. Problem solved.
She is also going to file a lawsuit against the navy recruiting office
No she's not. That's absurd, and she wouldn't have standing to do so anyway.
if I do switch recruiters it'll be meaningless as my mother will simply file another complaint/lawsuit against the new one instead.
Not if you don't bring her with you.

Seriously, I know this sucks, but it sounds like it's time to establish some boundaries with your mother. This is restraining order level bullshit she is pulling.
 

Uncle Fester

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Your mother sounds like a bit of a nightmare, honestly. She’s not suing anybody by the way. For one thing, the courts follow the doctrine of sovereign immunity, which among a lot of other things says you can’t sue members of the federal government for performing their official duties - which a military recruiter talking to a potential recruit about joining the military certainly would be. Your mother thinking they’re not performing “correctly” is irrelevant. For another, she has no standing to sue - for a suit to proceed, you have to show that a) you personally suffered a wrong that b) the court has some ability to remedy. She, on the other hand, sounds like a great candidate for a restraining order if she continues harassing a member of the Armed Forces carrying out their assigned duties.

So either your recruiter doesn’t know any of this, or he does and just wants your mother to go the hell away.

If you’re over 18, she has no legal way to stop you from enlisting. Strike out on your own, get copies of all your legal docs (again, you don’t need her permission to get them if you’re not a minor) and call a recruiter and don’t tell her until you’re shipping out.
 

Mos

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For SA, OP's post history is viewable and helps fill in some of the missing context.
 
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