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Getting my flight slot back after NPQ

flyboy

Information Warfare Ensign
Hello once again. I want to start off saying that I am a very proud Ensign after 12 weeks of hell in Newport and I am excited to start my naval officer career. I was NPQ'd for pilot back in June and redesignated to IW. I am in Pensacola for IWBC and ran into a fellow OCS'er at the NEX who told me that he was NPQ'd in Newport, had to switch to NFO, and upon arriving to Pensacola, he was requalified for pilot and redesignated. My question to you all is if I could get a doctor to recommend me for flight status, could I get my flight slot back and redes back into my original SNA slot? I know it has a lot of different variables, but I just want to know if it's POSSIBLE or if anyone has heard someone besides my fellow JO do it before. I'm not giving up on my dream, but I don't want to piss anyone off here in Pcola either. Please advise.
 

squorch2

he will die without safety brief
pilot
You already have a new, non-flight designator? First your community has to agree to let you go, and is IW expanding? Also, leaving one community for another entails pissing people off. May as well strike that from your to do list.
 

flyboy

Information Warfare Ensign
Sir,
I am in a community that is non-flight and if me getting what I came into the navy to do entails pissing a few people off, I'm gonna have to say sorry but that's why I came into the Navy. If the doctor in newport overreacted to a condition that doesn't give me any problems and another doctor recommends me for flight status, I guess the doctor in newport shouldn't have made that call. I wish I had enough patience to wait around newport for 6 months waiting on a waiver but the medical staff pretty much told me to get the f@#! out of the building because I was showing up every week asking questions about the NPQ. I have talked to student management or flight management (whatever the title is) at the training school command on NAS Pensacola and everyone there says I should fight it and set up an appointment with a different FS. The redesignation O3 at the training command questioned if I had paperwork saying that I came in originally as SNA (for whatever reason that it would make a difference) and I said yes, but after being pushed around by Newport Medical, an NPQ for lower back pain 7 years ago prevented me from submitting a waiver due to lack of willingness to help from the FS in Newport. Regardless, I want to look into the possibilities because if I don't get a definite no....it will continue to keep me up at night and annoy me every time I hear the T-6's flying overhead.
 

squorch2

he will die without safety brief
pilot
The reason I asked if you were in a non-flight designator is that there are established procedures for going from NFO to Pilot in API that can be accomplished while in the pool. There are also established procedures for going from other, non-flying jobs to NFO or Pilot, but they're different, because you are no longer in a flight status. Additionally, your new community owns you and is expecting you to fill a billet in their pipeline shortly after you finish IWBC.

If you're dead set on flying, work on getting your quals for your community and applying for a lateral transfer (IAW the applicable instruction) after that. That being said, if your NPQ paperwork says "this condition is considered permanently disqualifying, waiver not recommended," you're probably SOL.

... and after looking through your posting history, dude, you have been working hard to ensure that every box is checked and every possibility is looked at, but seriously. They did MRIs, consults with ortho specialists, and in the end NAMI said "nope." It's time to deal with the fact that you probably won't be flying military aircraft.

That being said, best of luck with everything.
 

flyboy

Information Warfare Ensign
For the record, I am happy in my new designator and my next duty station of Hawaii...I'd just be MORE happy being in the sky than stuck underground somewhere or in a building on watch for 12 hours. I came to the Navy for aviation because it's the best...that and my aeronautics degree and 50k in flight training expenses I'm going to have to pay for for the next 10 years will make be easier to swallow if I'm actually flying.
 

Picaroon

Helos
pilot
The doctors in Newport aren't great with flight physicals. They told me I needed glasses to fly--nope, 20/20 in Pensacola, just like I was right before I went to Newport. Maybe giving people eye exams across weird light gradients after a couple days of shock, awe, and sleep deprivation isn't wise.

Anyway, lots of people had issues with the Newport flight docs. Some that I knew ended up redes'd. I'd fight for it if I were you, and it's great that you seem to have a good attitude about it.
 

KBayDog

Well-Known Member
I came to the Navy for aviation because it's the best...that and my aeronautics degree and 50k in flight training expenses I'm going to have to pay for for the next 10 years will make be easier to swallow if I'm actually flying.

flyboy, I do not mean to make light of your situation - it's a kick in the junk, for sure, and I do not envy you. However, what I have quoted needs to serve as a bit of a lesson for those who think that there are iron-clad guarantees in the military.

Nothing in the military, as in life, is ever guaranteed. You can certainly do things to shape your career - working/studying hard (or not), talking to the right people, checking (or not checking) the appropriate career boxes, paying for civilian flight training, etc., but at the end of the day, your career is directed by Big Navy/Big Corps/Big whatever. The fact is, you're just a number to the Navy right now. That may be a hard pill to swallow, but it's the truth. The Navy has decided that you shouldn't fly right now, and with the current "rightsizing" movement, it may not happen for a while...if ever. There just isn't a pressing need for extra pilots in any of the services right now.

It's been said before, and it'll be said again - when you raise your right hand, you're an officer first, a [designator] second. Oftentimes, especially for those of us with wings, that fact just plain sucks. We, too, love breaking the surly bonds as much as possible, but the reality of the military is that you're going to go where they want you to go and do what they want you to do, regardless of your designator/MOS. Are there ways for those of us who love flying to stay in the cockpit? Absolutely. Are there career consequences associated with this? Absolutely. You just have to decide what is important to you.

flyboy, with that in mind, you have been given a tremendous opportunity. You're a brand new Ensign in the Navy, and you're being groomed for a career in IW. There are plenty of good JOs who have attrited from flight school (be it grades, DOR, etc.) who would give anything to be in your shoes, because they are being processed out of the Navy. Redesignation for those who don't complete flight school isn't automatic anymore, and due to the numbers game, many of these quality officers are not being retained. Why do I bring this up? I would suggest, before you "...[piss] a few people off...", you consider the possible consequences of burning bridges in your current field. If flying means that much to you, best of luck with the process. Just realize that you might never get into a cockpit, and in the meantime, you might not have much of a career in the Navy based on how you handle yourself along the way.

No matter what you choose, best of luck with everything, and don't let anything get in the way of your obligation to serve your Sailors. They deserve nothing less than 100% from you.
 

BigRed389

Registered User
None
And always leave yourself with options.

Best way to get your CO endorsement to get that slim shot at getting those rare lat transfer spots is to be shit hot in your current job. Their endorsement and FITREPs are pretty much all the board has to go on.

If you've been previously NPQ'd, start the flight physical stuff early, and contact NAMI to see what, if any additional tests are required. Nothing worse than getting a flight doc to sign off on your physical, then getting denied by NAMI because they want to see a certain test conducted before they approve your waiver. Especially because time is your 2nd worst enemy when it comes to lat transfers.
 

fattestfoot

In it for the naked volleyball
an NPQ for lower back pain 7 years ago prevented me from submitting a waiver due to lack of willingness to help from the FS in Newport.

Just curious, but is this something you brought up at Newport or MEPS? Kind of curious how it came up.
 

fattestfoot

In it for the naked volleyball
Yeah, I see that now. Somehow I missed that part of your other post talking about his post history.
 

flyboy

Information Warfare Ensign
Regardless of what happens, I expect nothing but 100 % out of my attitude, performance, and willingness to help the shipmates below me. If/when I'm given the opportunity in 2 years to lat transfer, I'll be too old...I'm 28 right now. That is why I'm exhausting my options right now instead of later. If nothing can be done, then I will be the best IW JO in Hawaii. I had the bulging disc records from the Army in my medical records and everyone from MEPS to the recruiter knew about it before I even left. If it was an issue for pilot...they should have let me know I guess before I arrived at OCS. That's why I'm a little disgruntled. At the very least, it could have provided a pilot slot to someone else who was medically qualified. I have an appointment with the flight doc tomorrow to discuss options so I'm playing the lottery hoping to hit it big(because I know thats about the chances of changing my designator). Thanks for the advice given. I appreciate both positive and negative feedback.
 

jtmedli

Well-Known Member
pilot
Regardless of what happens, I expect nothing but 100 % out of my attitude, performance, and willingness to help the shipmates below me. If/when I'm given the opportunity in 2 years to lat transfer, I'll be too old...I'm 28 right now. That is why I'm exhausting my options right now instead of later. If nothing can be done, then I will be the best IW JO in Hawaii. I had the bulging disc records from the Army in my medical records and everyone from MEPS to the recruiter knew about it before I even left. If it was an issue for pilot...they should have let me know I guess before I arrived at OCS. That's why I'm a little disgruntled. At the very least, it could have provided a pilot slot to someone else who was medically qualified. I have an appointment with the flight doc tomorrow to discuss options so I'm playing the lottery hoping to hit it big(because I know thats about the chances of changing my designator). Thanks for the advice given. I appreciate both positive and negative feedback.

Unfortunately this happens A LOT at OCS. Flight physicals up there are kind of a joke....well, they would be if it didn't fuck your life up. I was almost NPQ'd from pilot when my vision is just fine. 3 days of flourescent lights and 3 hours/night of sleep will fuck up anyone's vision.

With that said, it doesn't seem to me that many people are getting lat-transfered right now. A lot of guys getting processed out after DORs and a lot of people getting told 'NO' on the NFO-Pilot transfer in API. What I'm getting at here is that, if I were you, I would expect to be IW and not get my hopes up about a transfer situation happening. Fight it if you can (gracefully and respectfully as possible), but it's gonna be very hard to make anything happen.
 
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