Gun replica prompts arrest, lockdowns

[defiant85]

After receiving several conflicting reports about a male subject wielding a rifle in the Mathematical Sciences Building just south of the Silo Union on Thursday morning, the UC Davis Police Department arrested a senior mathematics major, 21, who brought a replica of a rifle he uses as a Reserve Officers' Training Corps student to a professor's office hours.

I'm in the same unit as this guy. Apparently, he was walking around campus running errands with a replica M-16 sticking out of his backpack. We're a cross town school and he had gotten the M-16 from our unit in order to PT with the Army ROTC unit on our campus. He was going to return the rifle to our unit yesterday, and had it in has backpack because he had nowhere to store it until we left for drill. One of the funniest things for the rest of us was the fact in the picture he's wearing our unit PT shirt. He's a first class mid who service selected subs by the way.


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[Brett327]

That shows extremely poor headwork. How did he expect people to react?

Brett

 

[wrk]

Haha, what a dumbass. Go navy! Like brett said, what did he expect?

 

[MasterBates]

That shows extremely poor headwork. How did he expect people to react?

Brett

Expected Reaction due to people being scared of inanimate objects is fear. I can just picture the valley girls going "OHMIGOD A GUN! WE'RE GONNA DIE"

What should be the expected reaction, if people did not have an illogical fear of weapons indoctrinated into them by a socialistic school system from day 1 of kindergarten (aka, USA before ~1960s): "Cool, is it de-milled, or just missing the firing pin?"

 

[A4sForever]

The guy is/was an idiot. What WAS he thinking??? If he HAD to transport the replica via humping it across campus -- it should have been concealed in an appropriate case -- something that might have been questionable, in any case.

He makes it tough(er) on the rest of us --- a.k.a. the legal, legitimate firearms owners who are in possession of >50% of our facilities.

 

[Cate]

What should be the expected reaction, if people did not have an illogical fear of weapons indoctrinated into them by a socialistic school system from day 1 of kindergarten (aka, USA before ~1960s): "Cool, is it de-milled, or just missing the firing pin?"

Sure. Because no one has ever been shot from, say, a clocktower on a college campus. It's that demmed liberal indoctrination that's made people wary of firearms in places where a firearm serves no logical purpose.

 

[MasterBates]

Sure. Because no one has ever been shot from, say, a clocktower on a college campus. It's that demmed liberal indoctrination that's made people wary of firearms in places where a firearm serves no logical purpose.

I have logical purposes for firearms pretty much everywhere I go. And barring the last 2 months or prohibited places, I carry everywhere.

 

[Lawman]

Sure. Because no one has ever been shot from, say, a clocktower on a college campus. It's that demmed liberal indoctrination that's made people wary of firearms in places where a firearm serves no logical purpose.

And what stopped said crazy crazy man from intruding on the campus where guns were not permitted and climbing up into that clock tower and raining down death from above?

Sorry Cate but thats a really poor arguement seeing as how it was a nutball bent on killing whether he did it at a nursery or college campus made no differnce. Only thing is what stopped said crazy from killing anybody else, it wasnt talk, it wasnt litigation, it was a man with a gun and the training and willingness to use it.

 

[snake020]

he had gotten the M-16 from our unit in order to PT with the Army ROTC unit on our campus.

Can someone explain why an M-16 is required for PT, especially at a left leaning school? What ever happened to low profile and common sense? Wait, this is the Army we're talking about...

You at Berkeley NROTC? I always wondered how they got away with calling Davis a "crosstown" school, when it is more like a cross state school.

 

[Banjo33]

That's total BS lawman. How about Jonesboro, Ar? Or Columbine?

I'm anti-gun control too, but this kid was stupid. Period.

 

[nittany03]

That's total BS lawman. How about Jonesboro, Ar? Or Columbine?

I'm anti-gun control too, but this kid was stupid. Period.

I think Lawman was attacking his interpretation of Cate's big-picture argument rather than the specifics of this particular case. Guns don't serve a logical or illogical function, no matter where they happen to be. They are unthinking, amoral objects which serve a single function: propelling metal downrange at high velocity where aimed. It's illogical to say that guns are inherently evil or cause people to become irrational and violent. That's what I think he was getting at.

THAT SAID (and what I suspect Cate was arguing to some degree) . . . if the weapon is not a moral agent in itself, then the responsibility to ensure the morality of its use obviously devolves on the wielder. Who in this case showed extremely poor judgement, to put it mildly. Perception is everything. You can't expect everyone, liberal bias or not, to blithely ignore a man in civilian clothes carrying what appears to be a loaded M-16 through a college campus.

 

[defiant85]

Can someone explain why an M-16 is required for PT, especially at a left leaning school? What ever happened to low profile and common sense? Wait, this is the Army we're talking about...

You at Berkeley NROTC? I always wondered how they got away with calling Davis a "crosstown" school, when it is more like a cross state school.

From what I was told, he's been doing the Ranger Challenge with Army ROTC here at Davis, and they run around with deuce gear and rifles. I don't understand why he had to get a rifle from our unit instead of the Army loaning him one. In the past we've practiced for color guard on campus with M-1s, and we never had any problems because we'd always call the UCDPD and let them know before hand.

As far as our unit, we're a lot more than a cross-town school as it's about an hour drive each way to drill once a week. Most weeks the commutes are the best part of the day since we stop at In N Out on the way back.

 

[Lawman]

That's total BS lawman. How about Jonesboro, Ar? Or Columbine?

I'm anti-gun control too, but this kid was stupid. Period.

My point as Nittany paraphrased quite well is that banning guns from any particular enviroment without controlling the flow on to that enviroment is just pointless. Could you potentially make a school zone gun free, sure you could if you made it operate the same was as an airport's security zone. Metal Detectors, controlled access points, the works. Problem is though all it takes is a nutcase to render any security obsolete. If you wanted to shoot your way on to any secured location you potentially could with enough firepower. All the school shootings were motivated by the want and desire to kill not by the want to use guns. To prove that point the Columbine boys actually started using weapons other then firearms when they ran out of rounds. Had somebody been in that security zone with the willingness to use a firearm and one on them they would have been succesful, and they then would have faced prosecution either at the hands of a DA with a mind that citizens never have the right to take the law into their own hands because thats the job of the police (who were standing at the door within audable distance of the gun shots coming out it at Columbine) or they would be crucified in civil court by the parents of those "poor misunderstood boys."

Crazy people are crazy people, telling them they cant take a gun somewhere to commit their mass murder they have planned isnt gonna stop them. Best way to stop them is to make it well enough known to everybody that should you decide to become one of these crazy people theres a good chance a not so crazy person is gonna take you out when you decide its time to start playing god.


And silversnake020, PT with rifles isnt anything new. And Im wondering if this was a de-milled rifle or if it was just a blue/orange plastic look alike and the people who were reported it left that part out to sensationalize the story.

 

[Flash]

Expected Reaction due to people being scared of inanimate objects is fear. I can just picture the valley girls going "OHMIGOD A GUN! WE'RE GONNA DIE"

What should be the expected reaction, if people did not have an illogical fear of weapons indoctrinated into them by a socialistic school system from day 1 of kindergarten (aka, USA before ~1960s): "Cool, is it de-milled, or just missing the firing pin?"

Ummmmm.......yeaahhhhhh......riiiiggghhhhhhttttt.........As someone who grew up in one of the more liberal county's in one fo the more liberal states in theis country, I never got such drivel from my teachers or anyone else in the local schools. The 'fear of weapons' in schools in my county came from things like the the shooting of a gym teacher at my local school my senior year by a student.

A little more simplistic view of things than I would expect of you MB......

 

[Flash]

My point as Nittany paraphrased quite well is that banning guns from any particular enviroment without controlling the flow on to that enviroment is just pointless.

So what do you suggest, arming teachers? That has got to be one of the dumber arguments that I have heard in the Op-Ed pages and by commentators recently......