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KCMOBDCP

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NRD Kansas City is ill equipped to have this program. I was in the program over a year and within that time I never had a recruiter assigned to me and spoke only to the processor.

I have been dismissed from this program for over an year and am thankful for that but I still have not signed any release paperwork or received a DD214.

IF you dont know what this program is about and think that your recruiting district will help guide you and prepare you, you are in for a rude awakening. I was technically "lost" within the system for over a year and then there was this made scramble to cover their mistake and place the blame on me.


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In December 2001, I signed my BDCP service agreement and joined U.S. Navy. Since this time my experience with the Navy has been full of contradictory information, mismanagement, and frustration. My complaint with the BDCP program is that I feel as though it has been misrepresented and falsely advertised.

I was informed in February 2003 that I was to be dis-enrolled from the BDCP program because I had failed to meet the minimum GPA requirements. This information came as a complete shock to me.

I met with the navy recruiting staff at the Kansas City office to review my paper work and to figure out my options, which were that I needed to apply to retake an exam from the previous semester and receive a current semester GPA of 2.7 to have my dis-enrollment revisited.

To my complete dismay included in my file was a letter dated July 15, 2002 from the Navy Recruiting Commander located in Millington, TN placing me on probation for not meeting the GPA requirements from my spring 2002 semester at California State University San Marcos. This probationary letter stated I had one semester to improve my grade-point average or I would be dis-enrolled from the BDCP program and ordered to serve 24 months enlisted active duty. I had not received or been informed of this probationary letter until my meeting in February 2003.

Since the time I was informed of my pending dis-enrollment from the BDCP program I have been actively searching to find where it is stated that the GPA requirements are based on both semester and cumulative GPA. I have spoken to Navy Recruiting District (NRD)-Indianapolis, NRD-Minneapolis, and NRD-St. Louis and always I am told that the GPA requirements are based on cumulative GPA. I have searched the Internet and all BDCP related websites only state the minimum GPA as being based off cumulative grade-point averages.

I have brought this to the attention of the NRD-Kansas City staff, which was then passed on to Commander B. What was then brought back as an answer was that Commander B’s interpretation of what was stated in my BDCP service agreement was to be taken to mean semester grade-point average.

Since the moment I was informed of my dis-enrollment situation I have been told on a number of occasions to “read my service agreement”. My service agreement states in section II part b:

“That I must maintain a grade point average (GPA) of at least 2.7 (on a 4.0 scale).”

This statement does not specify semester or cumulative GPA. Here in lies my dilemma, how does one interpret the word “maintain”. The interpretation I was told before signing my contract was to mean a continuous GPA of 2.7; meaning cumulative grade point average since each semester your GPA is brought back to zero.
 

ben

not missing sand
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The way it was explained to me was that if my grades ever dropped below a 2.7 then I would be placed on probation for a semester to bring them up. I interpreted that to mean that the cumulative GPA was important for getting into BDCP and that current GPA was important for staying in BDCP. I know it doesn't help much to hear that. I cannot believe that they did all this to you without contacting you first!!! Did CNRC not have your correct address? When I got the final select in July 2003, my NRD wasn't efficient enough to call my local recruiter and tell him I got picked up. I got a letter in the mail from CNRC Millington telling me congratulations. They mailed it directly to ME. I would have thought that they mailed your probationary letter directly to you...

Anyway, let me know if there's anything I can do for you. It really sucks that you weren't informed correctly...
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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If your GPA fell below minimums, regardless of semester or cumulative, it is not the Navy's fault. The recruiter is not you babysitter, and if you were checking in twice a month like you were supposed to, then you probably would have known you were in trouble. They are placing blame on you because it was your fault. I agree with Ben in that I was told to maintain a high GPA every semester. I am tired of people blaming their recruiter for their problems. This is seen all over the fleet and its tired. The rules are black and white and you posted them above. Time to own up to your agreement, shipmate. I bet you got paid every month on time. The Navy is not out to get you. I am sorry it happened the way it did, but the bottom line is you didn't maintain your end of the deal regardless of whether or not you were on probation. It looks like you fell behind for at least 2 semesters in a row. If you are trying to maintain a 2.7 overall, how can you expect several below 2.7 semesters in a row to do that?

Sorry for the rant. It’s nothing personal, just one of my pet peeves. Your best bet is to try and salvage what you can to get a commission instead of going to boot camp. You have an OCS slot already assigned to you. Do everything you can to keep it. And get your GPA up.
 

KCMOBDCP

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The rules are stated in black in white on my agreement and that states a GPA of 2.7 Cum. GPA.
I have a 3.0 CUM gpa and I am tired of hearing how the fault is mine I had more then enough contact with NRD Kansas city to allow them to inform me of a letter sent directly to them. They had/have my current contact information but THEY failed to follow the procedures!

If I am during what I am told and contacting them they could at least hold their part of the bargain. And for your information I did have pay problems so again that blame would be at the NRD-KC door!

And the only time NRD-KC was willing to take blame for anything was when they were contacted by my state senator.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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You are right about the cumulative part. That's black and white.
COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1131.2B 3-A.107. ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

5. Education
d. Selectees complete college as full time students (attending at least all normal school sessions). They must maintain a cumulative GPA of at least 2.7 or higher if required by the specific designator program authorization.


Sorry for that. It is their mistake. Now you need to do 1 of 2 things:

1. Convince them you are right and get back in the program. Go to OCS.....
2. Get a 12 month extension as per same document above, before going to boot camp, to finish your degree. It says if you finish, you may then go to OCS.

Good luck, and my apologies. I was told the same as Ben since we are the same NRD and never read the actual agreement that close until now.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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Another peice of sound advice, DO NOT let them discharge you with a reenlistment code that wont allow you back in. R-1 is the best, I think, but they will definitely try to shaft you. Talk to the command career counselor before your sign anything. Also remember that the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Call every day if you have to. They will get tired of it and fix your problems.

What is your exact status now?
 

Godspeed

His blood smells like cologne.
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Hey now JG, I have a 3.0 cum gpa, and I would consider myself a hard worker. When taking advanced engineering courses, it is common to get C's in difficult classes some semesters (i.e. thermodynamics, fluids, etc). I count on my design courses and easier engineering courses to even my grades out.

If it is spelled out "cumulative" as clearly as you say it is, and I were in KCMO's spot (if they didn't help me out or fix the situation promptly) I wouldn't hesitate to take legal action. This is serious, serious business, and they would be directly breeching a contractual obligation and screwing up his life.

Good job contacting your senator KCMO. Not to make any judgement calls about any NRD or recruiter, but there are some BAD apples out there. I was lucky enough to have a great recruiter (NRD Seattle). One things for sure, I am going to look over my service agreement for that word cumulative VERRRRRY carefully.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
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There is nothing wrong with a 3.0, I am an engineer too and know exactly how hard some of these classes are. Below 2.7 is just not acceptable by the program. That's all I am trying to say. The slacker thing was said jokingly, i guess you didn't hear it in my voice. Godspeed is right, though, this is VERY serious and make sure you come out with the results you want and never take no for an answer.
 

VetteMuscle427

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On a semi-related topic... I just calculated some points of my GPA... I can get all C's from now until graduation, and still come out with a cumulative 2.71!!! Now that is a weight lifted off my chest.
 
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