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Kofi Annan is "concerned" about the condition of Al-Sadr
- Thread starter Fly Navy
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Clux, we're way beyond that. The UN has become a useless, corrupt organization, a debate society. All talk, no action. When they do take action, it's normally led by the USA. We're the teeth. Without us, they're virtually powerless, for anything major. Look at how they condemn Israel for building a wall to seperate them and the Palestinians, yet the UN won't do crap to stop the Palestinians from killing them? Oh, and a lot of good that condemning did... didn't stop anything. UN can go fvck themselves.
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Fly Navy said:
Fly Navy,
I do not see anything wrong in the United States being the tooth of the UN. As a matter of fact, I think those guy in Pentagon see it as a smart way to feed the crave and appetite the United States has for foreign bases and the ultimate desire to rule the Universe. Will it ever get better than this, if we are already controlling U.N, meaning we control everything under U.N.
Kofi Anan is just there as a figure head for our operations within the U.N. He has to say what he has to say so as to look like he does not support the United States. We already have bases in Afghanistan and we made the U.N give us the authorization to invade Iraq. Now we are there and we have bases overthere. I don't know where next we are going, but eventually we get there(Control the World).
You free to disagree with me on this. This the way I see things.
Clux4 said:
The UN never authorized us to invade Iraq. That's been a big issue this election and a major part of John Kerry's platform. If you think that we control the UN, you must forget that China, Russia, and France all have permanent seats on the Security Council with veto power, and they tend to vote against us. Why didn't we invade Iraq during Gulf War I, because the compromised Security Council resolution only gave the coalition the authority to expel the Iraqis from Kuwait. If the U.S. truly controlled the UN, we would have had the original resolution we wanted, without having to bargain with the Russians and French, who were covering their own oil interests. Why wasn't there a Northern Front in Gulf War II, because we could not get basing rights from Turkey. Why has the United States fought against the creation of an International Criminal Court, because many foreign countries wish to try AMERICAN leaders for war crimes. These include the past four presidents, Henry Kissinger, and numerous military personnel.
I doubt the guys at the Pentagon are just looking for wars just so we can get basing rights in the occupied lands. If it was possible, they would like nothing more than to send their troops home. I know this administration wishes that Iraq and Afghanistan would stablize so they could get most of the troops home by the election, but that is not possible. I don't know where you got the idea that the United States wants to rule the world (and eventually the Universe), maybe you saw Farhenheit 911 too many times, but the United States is not an imperialist country. We have had many opportunities in the past to use our power for conquest and have held back. We only go to war when it is in self defense of our interests, not to colonize. If that were the case, we would have never given back Mexico, Cuba, the Phillipines, Japan, or Germany to their people. We would have never formed the UN in the first place. We would have never allowed the Iraqis or the Afghanis to form their own governments.
Clux4
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You think it is evil, but I don't see it as that. I think every nation, people and kindred desire to better themselves in some way or the other. If Russia or China had their way, they will do the same thing we are doing.
Seriously, I did not mean to derail the thread. We can always talk about this later.
Seriously, I did not mean to derail the thread. We can always talk about this later.
Clux4 said:
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Reading comprehension, my friend, reading comprehension. It was sarcasm, which I know is sometimes lost on the internet. I am not stating that the United States is evil. I was poking fun at your implication that the United States is an imperialistic nation.
Clux4 said:
Ok, here's my reply to Fly Navy:
"I agree. Whenever the UN actually does something, it is with the United States fronting the majority of the financial and military burden. Of course, the UN does do alot of good, just in the humanitarian aspects (UNICEF, WHO). But so does the Red Cross, Doctors without Borders, and a multitude of religious and seclular charities; none of which the United States is required to contribute funding to. I think the United States would be better off if it substantially lessened its presence in the UN."
With the exception of my Fahrenheit 911 remark, my post was apolitical. I was simply correcting some of your assertions with historical fact. The reason why I mention F911 was because you esposed a view similar to the movie's creator. Also, it was meant as a somewhat humorous remark to lighten an otherwise serious post.
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