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True but you used to noone wooried about how Patton wiping out the Waffen SS would play on the German street.
Gen Mattis had a PR problem when he said in 2001 "The United States Marine Corps now owns a peice fo Afghanistan"
I think they kept him away from the press for a while unitl now
bottom line is it is fun to kill our current oh so deserving enemies and I think everyone is sleeping just fine at night
Gen Mattis had a PR problem when he said in 2001 "The United States Marine Corps now owns a peice fo Afghanistan"
I think they kept him away from the press for a while unitl now
bottom line is it is fun to kill our current oh so deserving enemies and I think everyone is sleeping just fine at night
ADM Richard Macke got in real hot water and was forced to retire early as CINCPAC in 1995 for saying the following:
During a Nov. 17 news conference in Washington, D.C., Macke told reporters that the sailor and two Marines accused of raping the Okinawan girl were "absolutely stupid for the price they paid to rent the car, they could have had a girl."
While it might have been true, the commander of all US forces in the Pacific has no business saying it, especially in a public arena. The same goes for all flag officers in the US military who are held up as examples of our military at home and across the world. Those of us in the military are held to higher standard, as well we should be, and the standard is raised as you move up in rank and seniority. While he might feel that way, the remarks are completely inappropriate in a public forum.
During a Nov. 17 news conference in Washington, D.C., Macke told reporters that the sailor and two Marines accused of raping the Okinawan girl were "absolutely stupid for the price they paid to rent the car, they could have had a girl."
While it might have been true, the commander of all US forces in the Pacific has no business saying it, especially in a public arena. The same goes for all flag officers in the US military who are held up as examples of our military at home and across the world. Those of us in the military are held to higher standard, as well we should be, and the standard is raised as you move up in rank and seniority. While he might feel that way, the remarks are completely inappropriate in a public forum.
Our country needs great men such as Gen Mattis. There is too much sugarcoating, too much PC, to much BS. It is a relief to me to hear one of our leaders speak from the heart rather than some bureaucratic crap that is meant to fall softly on those ears that hear it. But, for self preservation of the military...alas...words must be chosen carefully...
I don't have a need to kill people, however, i don't think i'd have any problems wasting some of those pukes. I firmly believe some people truly suck and need to be aborted from this world in a very violent way. If i am the instrument of that violence, I'll sleep perfectly well at night. I like to think of myself as the Gene Pool Lifeguard - YOU! OUTTA THE POOL!
The General is Right, BUT:
This is post Tailhook '92 and you can't talk that way and get away with it. The General knows it -- but he just let it roll ... "Damn the Torpedoes." Unfortunately, there are too many microphones around today, too many agenda-driven lurking media. And, I suppose, too many people about with soft spots in the top of their skulls drinking Starbuck's, driving Volvos, and wearing Patagonia windbreakers.
This is not a new problem, however. Rudyard Kipling noticed the dichotomy on how the civilian population responds to things military and treats military personnel way back in the late part of the 19th century.
This is post Tailhook '92 and you can't talk that way and get away with it. The General knows it -- but he just let it roll ... "Damn the Torpedoes." Unfortunately, there are too many microphones around today, too many agenda-driven lurking media. And, I suppose, too many people about with soft spots in the top of their skulls drinking Starbuck's, driving Volvos, and wearing Patagonia windbreakers.
This is not a new problem, however. Rudyard Kipling noticed the dichotomy on how the civilian population responds to things military and treats military personnel way back in the late part of the 19th century.
Excerpts from "TOMMY" :
I WENT into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ’e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ’adn’t none for me;
Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
We aren’t no thin red ’eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ’is country” when the guns begin to shoot
The publican ’e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ’adn’t none for me;
Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
We aren’t no thin red ’eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ’is country” when the guns begin to shoot
PropStop said:
Damn straight . . . too many times I watch the news and find myself channelling 'Buster' Kilrain from Gettysburg . . . Reading that article was worth it just to watch the PC types get their knickers in a twist about it. Note how they mention that as soon as the General said what he said, the whole room started laughing and applauding . . .
Grant said:
I believe that the stars on his shoulders are unfortunately the only reason he could say this and still be in the uniform today....
You or I wouldn't last as long...
Imagine a squadron CO saying this in public...BOOM...instant removal for "loss of confidence."
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Then you are a man of quality and discernment, Thumper ... Watch out for those "Zoomies" in and around your airspace --- BTW, "Zoomies" spell-checks as "Zombies"(?).thumper said:
u.s.av8r said:
Concur...I'm guessing the repucussion from this on his career could be a sooner rather than later resignation from him.
But to J Q Public, it would appear not much was done.
Sort of like officer's punishment with a pun or non-pun letter or reprimand. May not hurt at the time, but it will sting when it comes time for new orders and/or promotion.
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Funny thing about the current dust-up with the General : --- a former "amigo" of mine, USNA '69, Marine, Infantry, later Armor, retired w/27 years as an O-5 (did he make some General unhappy??); has now gone over to the "Dark Side" and is a self-styled ex-pat living and writing in Spain. Even married (4th !!) a Frenchwoman, if you will excuse my language. You know all the rest -- supported Kerry 100%+ in the recent go-'round, etc ... but I digress ...
Back to the point: He described his friend and former staff college buddy --- one Gen. "Jimmy" Mattis --- as his source, during the political campaign, of a "we should not be here" point of view regarding Iraq and the War on Terror as it is being prosecuted. Mi Amigo and I had a difference of opinion (actually, several) and he relied heavily on "Jimmy" for the weight of authority for his anti-war opinions ...
Quote:
Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis... ""Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you ..."
Ironic?? Hmmmmm .... I wonder what mi "Amigo" thinks of his friend "Jimmy" now ... ???
ROGER BALL !!
Back to the point: He described his friend and former staff college buddy --- one Gen. "Jimmy" Mattis --- as his source, during the political campaign, of a "we should not be here" point of view regarding Iraq and the War on Terror as it is being prosecuted. Mi Amigo and I had a difference of opinion (actually, several) and he relied heavily on "Jimmy" for the weight of authority for his anti-war opinions ...
Quote:
Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis... ""Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you ..."
Ironic?? Hmmmmm .... I wonder what mi "Amigo" thinks of his friend "Jimmy" now ... ???
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