More recruiter bullsh!t...

[abh99]

Some may recall that when I first spoke with my recruiter he urged me to lie about previous drug use. Well, I got all that worked out. Throughout the process I've had to deal with plenty of lies and bad gouge from him. This should bring everyone up to speed and then hopefully I can get some advice:

I put in for 1. Intel 2. SWO(N) 3. Sub. I had originally had IW as my #3 but changed it to sub. My package was submitted right before the May boards so I knew it wouldn't get there in time (though my recruiter tried telling me it was) so I'm still waiting to hear back about that. The entire application process, my recruiter has been pressing me into Nuke as my #1 but I've kept it as Intel. Anyways, last week I find out that I've been invited to the DC Nuke interview on June 17th.

When I called my recruiter to tell him and then ask about my Intel status, he responded with this (what I think is a line of BS): "I spoke with the woman running the Intel board, Ms. Frasier (?), and she said that she's got a couple packages (including mine) that she's looking at as a 'special board' since we're at the end of the fiscal year. Does this even happen?

Secondly, he also told me that I was pro-rec'd for IW, so that even if I didn't get Intel or I blew my Nuke interview I was guaranteed a spot in the Navy. How could I get pro-rec'd for IW if it wasn't on my application it was only discussed between my recruiter and myself?

Do you get written proof of any kind about whether you've been selected/denied? At this point, I don't trust my recruiter at all, and since he was pushing Nuke so hard, I feel like he'd hold back about an Intel select (if I were to be so lucky as to get one) knowing that I'd probably get picked up for Nuke.

Anyone have any insight? What steps should/can I take? I don't want to break the chain of command, but I am not about to screwed out of something by my recruiter. Thanks.

 

[jt71582]

You DO get a letter as to what you were pro-rec'd for, and also if you were denied. I've had both happen for me.

I've never heard of someone magically being pro-rec'd for something not on the application...anyone else want to chime in?

 

[WishICouldFly]

At this point, I don't trust my recruiter at all, and since he was pushing Nuke so hard, I feel like he'd hold back about an Intel select (if I were to be so lucky as to get one) knowing that I'd probably get picked up for Nuke.

I don't know about recruiting, but it seems strange that a recruiter would push so hard for an applicant to get one community over another. Do recruiters have incentives to deliver applicants to certain communities?

It seems a little far for a recruiter to 'hold back' a selection...I mean, isn't it better for the recruiter to have an accepted applicant in any community instead of waiting for a possible acceptancein a particular community?

 

[VetteMuscle427]

You DO get a letter as to what you were pro-rec'd for, and also if you were denied. I've had both happen for me.

I've never heard of someone magically being pro-rec'd for something not on the application...anyone else want to chime in?

Which is funny... because I didn't get a letter for either. I got a phone call from my recruiter telling me to come in and reapply... and then I ended up w/ a folder full of enlistment papers.

 

[abh99]

It seems a little far for a recruiter to 'hold back' a selection...I mean, isn't it better for the recruiter to have an accepted applicant in any community instead of waiting for a possible acceptancein a particular community?

It does seem far-fetched, however to fully illustrate how shady my recrutier is (if I haven't already) this also happened during my application process: My recruiter pulled up my police record and a 'cannabis posession' charge came up in place of a 'minor in possession of alcohol' charge that I had told him about. I knew there must be some error and just needed to find out how to fix it. My recruiter said that if I couldn't fix it I should 'come up' with a story as to why it may have been on my record. Something along the lines of 'maybe you were in a car that was pulled over and the cops found some weed but didn't know whose it was, so issued tix to everyone.' In the end, I got a lawyer to contact the county clerk, they found the original citation, and fixed it in the system (apparently someone had entered the charge incorrectly, almost screwing me).

Needless to say, I can't wait to be done with this process and have my ship dates in my possession. I'm not about to burn any bridges with the guy b/c ya never know what the future might bring, but I'm over his shennanigans.


Also, I don't have any concrete evidence to back this up, perhaps someone else does, but I sense that he has some sort of incentive (whether it be monetary or whatever) to push Nuke. Everytime I would ask about Intel, he'd find a way to bring Nuke back in the conversation. It's been a trying process, but I suppose it's just another lesson in dealing with difficult people.

 

[ea6bflyr]

In the NROTC thread a few months ago, there was a BIG PUSH for NUKES. I think the Navy is really hurting for Nuke applicants; hence your DC interview. If nuke appears anywhere on the application, then the Nuke mafia get notified.....and maybe that fast-tracked you...

As for your recruiter's behavior, it seem somewhat questionable. You could contact your recruiter's boss in order to shed some light on the subject. You really need some input from Wink or one of the other guys familiar with the recruiting system.

-ea6bflyr

 

[abh99]

As for your recruiter's behavior, it seem somewhat questionable. You could contact your recruiter's boss in order to shed some light on the subject. You really need some input from Wink or one of the other guys familiar with the recruiting system.

-ea6bflyr

Yea, I guess that's what I was hoping to find out, whether I should do anything about it. Like I said earlier, I'm almost done with the process, but I don't want to get screwed out of something and always look back and be the guy that says 'my recruiter screwed me.'

Once I'm in the Navy, I'm in, and I'm at the mercy of the Navy. Until then, I wanna make sure everything goes the way I want it to, so there are no regrets.

 

[WishICouldFly]

Also, I don't have any concrete evidence to back this up, perhaps someone else does, but I sense that he has some sort of incentive (whether it be monetary or whatever) to push Nuke. Everytime I would ask about Intel, he'd find a way to bring Nuke back in the conversation. It's been a trying process, but I suppose it's just another lesson in dealing with difficult people.

Good way of looking at it.
I feel lucky having my recruiter(s) be the way they are...they really were open to what I wanted, even if they felt like it would be a waste of time.

 

[Insomneo]

You DO get a letter as to what you were pro-rec'd for, and also if you were denied. I've had both happen for me.

I've never heard of someone magically being pro-rec'd for something not on the application...anyone else want to chime in?

Letter? I received no such thing. Does it go to your NRD or your house?

 

[BackOrdered]

Letter? I received no such thing. Does it go to your NRD or your house?

Mine all went to the NRD for what it is worth.

 

[wink]

I put in for 1. Intel 2. SWO(N) 3. Sub. I had originally had IW as my #3 but changed it to sub. My package was submitted right before the May boards so I knew it wouldn't get there in time (though my recruiter tried telling me it was) so I'm still waiting to hear back about that. The entire application process, my recruiter has been pressing me into Nuke as my #1 but I've kept it as Intel. Anyways, last week I find out that I've been invited to the DC Nuke interview on June 17th.

ea6bflyr is right. Put nuke anywhere on your app and it is very likely you will get an interview (if you qualify) in DC. If you don't want nuke at all, then just decline to go to DC. You won't get a nuke offer or further interference from them if you decline to interview.

When I called my recruiter to tell him and then ask about my Intel status, he responded with this (what I think is a line of BS): "I spoke with the woman running the Intel board, Ms. Frasier (?), and she said that she's got a couple packages (including mine) that she's looking at as a 'special board' since we're at the end of the fiscal year. Does this even happen?.

Yes. However, I'd have to know a lot more about your app to determine if it was likely in your case.

Secondly, he also told me that I was pro-rec'd for IW, so that even if I didn't get Intel or I blew my Nuke interview I was guaranteed a spot in the Navy. How could I get pro-rec'd for IW if it wasn't on my application it was only discussed between my recruiter and myself?

It is certainly possible your recruiter told her about your interest in IW. He did say he talked to her, right? And people do get offers for things not on there apps. If a program manager is hard up he may poach a guy and make an offer hoping lightening will strike. With your degree though, I can't see them reaching across the table to grab you for IW. Can happen though if they need guys bad enough or like you well enough.

At this point, I don't trust my recruiter at all, and since he was pushing Nuke so hard, I feel like he'd hold back about an Intel select (if I were to be so lucky as to get one) knowing that I'd probably get picked up for Nuke.

Recruiters are "goaled" for a certain number of nuke selects. Although you may think he is over pressuring you to go nuke he is just doing his job. Every recruiter will back off some time. This guy is obviously pushing too hard for you. There is no reward for him putting you into nuke besides it being a part of his annual fitness report on his job performance, no bonus, no medal.

Anyone have any insight? What steps should/can I take? I don't want to break the chain of command, but I am not about to screwed out of something by my recruiter. Thanks.

If a recruiter actually told you to lie as you have reported, it would be my preference to have him reported to his XO. I guess I understand why you don't want to do that. Consider this though, a recruiter that would encourage an applicant to lie has an integrity problem we don't need in the Navy. That would be the Navy you desperately want to be a part of. If he where to continue in the Navy you may find a day when his integrity issues effect you in the fleet when the consequences are more dire. Short of going to the Executive Officer and alleging your recruiter is asking you to lie, I suggest you give a call to the Officer Programs Officer (OPO, his department head) and innocently asking for clarification. "I'm confused sir, do I have an intel pro rec or not?" "How will going to DC for interview effect my intel app?" "How long will they hold my intel pro rec if I go to DC?" Maybe you will find it easier to go to your recruiter's boss and claim he is not communicating well versus calling him a lier.

 

[porw0004]

You DO get a letter as to what you were pro-rec'd for, and also if you were denied. I've had both happen for me.

I've never heard of someone magically being pro-rec'd for something not on the application...anyone else want to chime in?

I have never gotten a letter for a pro rec/non-select and I've put in 4 application + 2 reconsiderations. However, I am under the impression that you do receive one with your projected class date after you achieve final-select status (I'm still waiting), perhaps this is what you're refering to?

 

[jt71582]

I have an official letter of denial. It came about 2 weeks after I found out about non-select (to my house). I posted it up on my bathroom mirror for motivation .

 

[RockyMtnNFO]

I concur with what Wink has already said. Calling your OPO with some innocent questions isn't a bad idea; it may very well clear things up.

There is a big incentive to get someone to go Nuke. If you are a potential Nuke, you will be "Recruited" for Nuke. Stay firm to what you want more. If you are gangbusters for Intel, make them say no. After all, you know they want you for Nuke.

Remain respectful and professional with your recruiter. It can only help you.

If you are 21, buy a high capacity semi-auto pistol or rifle. You never know what might happen in November and it will make you feel better. Myabe it's just me; I always feel better after I buy a gun.

The letters are usually a week or two behind he gouge if your recruiter is on the ball.

R/


Steve