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y0iTsDEENOSE

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:) hello i recently signed up for the marine corps reserves and plan to apply for PLC after boot camp.. just wondering if any people already in the PLC or marines in general can answer some of my questions that i couldnt find answers to on the internet,

1. Is it possible to recieve the G.I. Bill monthly along with the FAP (2700 a year/300 a month) and the MCTAP (5200 a year or/ 300 something a month)?

2. Which of these ^ actually go to your pocket or can be spent for other expenses like (rent, food, etc.) and which ones can only be spent for tuition and books? Im not too sure also if the FAP or MCTAP is monthly paid, any of the two lump sum?

3. According to a chart I found in the recruiter's office, I saw that I would apply for PLC after boot camp with the reserves, after I do apply and become accepted, when exactly will I be able to recieve the MCTAP and FAP? (of course after attending the 1st OCS summer session)

4. What is the percentage of marine corps reservists applying for PLC who are able to get in?

5. Any advice to help me in getting into the PLC program?

6. Is it possible to get a higher score than a perfect score on the PFT?

and thats all for now, here are some of my current stats:
AFQT: 95
ACT: 24
SAT I: 1730/2400
Height: 5'4'' weight: 120 lbs
bench rep: 140 lbs
pull-ups:13
sit-ups:50 (How to improve w/out hurting your back?)
3 miles: Horrible (Currently Biking 5 miles a day)
Flexed-Arm Hang: ????
Leaving for Camp Pendleton June 19th 2006
Attending University of California, Irvine Fall 2006 (Major: History/Pre-Law)

i'd greatly appreciate it if anyone could get back to me on this :)

btw, if anyone else is going to attend a UC while in the PLC program (and as a reservist), ive sketched up a rough budget (if im correct on all the funding USMC reserves provides) of someone going to college this fall and all throughout until they're bachelor year (all the way from H.S. Senior year to End of Senior year in College). Anyone could go ahead and verify all the information in it as well to see if its correct because im not too sure on it.
 

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jamnww

Hangar Four
pilot
Well that certainly is a detailed financial plan, I hope it works out for you. I can't comment on the financial questions that you had as I am not very familiar with that situation.

I can however offer my thoughts on some of your other questions.
5. Work to get your package as good as it can be when you apply and never stop pushing for better. Also don't do anything stupid like get a DUI.
6. NO, a perfect score on a PFT is just that, perfect. For non scored PFTs or during competitions they could allow higher scores but it doesn't count for anything officially.

Sit-ups: unfortunately the only way to improve situps is to do them alot. You will get some pain early on but as your muscles build up it will happen less and less.

Hope that helps a little and best of luck.
 

teufelhund0311

New Member
pilot
You can draw the GI Bill, FAP, And, MCTAP all at the same time. You will apply for the FAP and MCTAP at the begining of each semester and then receive it in a lump sum.

-Biking is not a good replacement for running.
 

gaijin6423

Ask me about ninjas!
In order to get the GI Bill benefits, you must have contributed the whole yearly amount, AND have served at least 30 months of active duty, AND not have received a punitive discharge. It is not available for academy midshipmen/cadets for use while attending school there (believe me, I tried), but it does not go away and may be used later. The Dept. of Veterans' Affairs website has more details.
 

teufelhund0311

New Member
pilot
The reserve people do not get the full GI Bill amount but they get something after they put in…yeah I know he doesn’t rate it yet.
 

Crowbar

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None
Seriously, I don't know if it's the whole lost-in-the-internet-translation thing or not but it sounds like you might be a little off base here.

If you want to enlist, great. If you're doing it only because it will help you get commissioned, you're going about it all wrong. You do NOT have to be a reservist to get into PLC. It's not uncommon for someone to enlist in the reserves, apply for PLC, then get deployed. So that's something to think about.

2. I don't know about MCTAP but when I used my VA benefits, it was deposited into my bank account for me to 'pay tuition' with.
3. You can apply for PLC whenever, you don't have to wait until you finish boot camp.
4. Does it matter? Is that why you enlisted?
5. Get your PFT score up (see number 6), get good grades.
6. No. Doesn't sound like you're in any danger of breaking 300 anyway.
 
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Slammer2

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y0iTsDEENOSE said:
sit-ups:50 (How to improve w/out hurting your back?)


didnt see that the first time. If your abs are weak and need to work on them, but the full crunches or situps hurt your back, then try picking your knees up so that they're 90 degrees off the ground. That will keep your back flat on the ground. The crunch motion isnt as effective though, but at least you'll be able to work them out without pain until you get stronger.

I only do this sometimes when i hurt my back from something else. I'm not too sure why you have back pain but if its something serious, then dont listen to me. But you will have to do them the normal when you do your PFT so dont get too used to them. Just thought it might help in the interim.

One possibility might be if your abs arent that strong and you're "throwing" yourself up to get the crunch. that might be hurting your back.
 

usmc96

Registered User
I was a reservist throughout college and received a VA Reserve check every month I was in college for about $250. When it came I usually spent it on beer and struggled until the next month. I also accepted the FAP? after I went to PLC which tacked on an extra 6 months to my contract. And I double dipped that way with the MGIB. Only problem I had with the FAP money is you could not predict when it would come. So I would not expect it to pay immediate bills. I took loans out for college and when the FAP money came I put it toward the loan.
You don't have to go to boot to go to PLC, However if you really want to say that you were enlisted (really doesn't add much clout unless you were active or deployed) then you can go to Boot, and there is a paper that you can sign that releases you from obligated reserve duty if you are accepted to PLC. My OSO said that the board may frown on signing the paper because it looked bad, but there was no chance of me being deployed in 1998 but the paper is intended to allow reservists to stay in school and not be deployed so they can finish the PLC program to commissioning.

long story short, a Reserve Boot Marine may have a little head start on regular Joe college but nothing that will turn the tide at the board.

Hit me back if you have any specific questions about Reserves and any reserve PLC programs
 
I did the same thing. I enlisted in the Reserves when in college. You will receive the GI Bill (reserve) if you apply for it. There is no putting in 1200 bucks like the active duty has to do. The difference is you receive about $288 a month vs. over 1000. I did not take any of the other finantial assistance from the FAP or anything like that because I only had one sememster left after I graduated from PLC-Combined.

Yes, going to boot camp is a good start so that you will be ahead of the pack at OCS, but by no means required or nessessary. I believed it was nessessary for me because I went to the OSO before talking to an enlisted recruiter. My PFT score was so low (144) that I stood no chance as even being looked at for boards. Boot camp did help as I graduated with a 243 PFT score, (enough to get me into PLC-C for the next summer) and helped with the military attitude and adjustment that one requires at OCS. It was also a good thing to be a enlisted Marine for 22 months before being commissioned. It allows me to understand where that 19 year old PFC or LCpl is coming from.

The situation worked for me and I hope you find the best possible way to appoach your entrance into the Marine Corps.

S/F
 

Vanguard

Registered User
1. Is it possible to recieve the G.I. Bill monthly along with the FAP (2700 a year/300 a month) and the MCTAP (5200 a year or/ 300 something a month)?

Make sure you read very carefully everything about those financial aid packages. MCTAP can really mess with your time in service, and thus pay, whereas FAP will add on a bit of extra time to your contract.

2. Which of these ^ actually go to your pocket or can be spent for other expenses like (rent, food, etc.) and which ones can only be spent for tuition and books? Im not too sure also if the FAP or MCTAP is monthly paid, any of the two lump sum?

FAP is nontaxable money that goes right to you. I've always seen it paid out as one lump sum for each iteration, however as someone else mentioned, when it actually gets to you is up in the air. MCTAP, I believe, is the same way, but I never personally took that so do not take that as gold (see above).

3. According to a chart I found in the recruiter's office, I saw that I would apply for PLC after boot camp with the reserves, after I do apply and become accepted, when exactly will I be able to recieve the MCTAP and FAP? (of course after attending the 1st OCS summer session)

I'm sorry, wait, you're trusting something you saw in a recruiter's office? And about officer training?

If you want the deal with PLC, go look up your closest Officer Selection Station (OSS) and talk to them about everything first. As far as financial aid goes, you may only apply and receive aid after you have gone through OCS (EG, after PLC-Juniors or after PLC-Combined).

4. What is the percentage of marine corps reservists applying for PLC who are able to get in?

I can't speak to such a specific question, but what I will say is that chances are good for anyonewith good recommendation letters and good PFT scores, and going before the earliest board that you can is always a plus as that is when the most slots are open.

5. Any advice to help me in getting into the PLC program?
6. Is it possible to get a higher score than a perfect score on the PFT?


You definitely need to get your PFT scores up. This will help you get in, and then help you to stay in. The thing about boot is that some people can go pretty fat and nasty because they will break you down anyway and build you into what they want and what the Corps needs. However, at OCS you need to be in peak shape when you get there, because you will not be built up. You are expected to be fully prepared ahead of time for the rigors of the physical training you go through. Even with a perfect PFT (unless your OSS does an Iron Candidate competition, 300 is the max), you're not going to have easy street at OCS at all.

pull-ups:13

Try looking up the Armstrong plan, a popular method for upping this number. I myself did a system of single-step, upside-down pyramids 4 days a week, and 5 max sets on the 5th day (5th set being an assisted 20) in order to get myself up to 20 originally back in the day. Of course, you can also use dip belts and machines and the like, though I am a fervent believer that the only real way to up pull-ups is to do pull-ups.

sit-ups:50 (How to improve w/out hurting your back?)


Are you doing crunches or situps? Because they're two different things and the Marine Corps does crunches. Also, in either case, you should essentially have a slightly arched back that stays static throughout the movement and for all intents and purposes simply rolls along the floor until your shoulderblades hit the deck. I would highly recommend going to a local gym (or even an OSS) to inquire about things like this.

3 miles: Horrible (Currently Biking 5 miles a day)

You must be able to run. There is no getting around this. When I went through PLC, I was running a 20 minute PFT consistently and most runs at OCS were still absolutely killer. This is one area where you need to seek advice from real runners and/or trainers, especially as you are not experienced as a runner at all yourself. You can seriously injure yourself or hinder your progress needlessly if you do not have knowledge about everything from the subject to the shoes to your body. I speak from personal experience: I gave myself horrible stress fractures when I began running because I had no idea about any of this and was stupid enough at the time to think running was just a simple bodily function.

Flexed-Arm Hang: ????

This is for females only. And it is ****-hard for most males anyway.

Leaving for Camp Pendleton June 19th 2006

Ooh-rah and good luck on it future-devildog.
 
As far as your back hurting when you are doing sit-ups .... to prevent this incorporate some lower back exercises into your workout. Do things such as supermans (lying on your stomach and lifting both feet, arms, and shoulder blades off the ground) or back raises (just like Supermans except your feet stay on the ground) or go to Menshealth.com and check out some of their lower back exercises. Lower back pain is common with people who have just begun working their abs or who only work their abs. Remember, you need to work both muscles groups (i.e. bi's and tri's, chest and back, quads and hammies, etc. etc.).

Besides strengthening your back, just keep doing ab work. Again, look at a web site like Mens Health and get some ab workouts. Do abs almost every day. You will see and feel a difference quite quickly.

Best wishes
 

y0iTsDEENOSE

Registered User
"I'm sorry, wait, you're trusting something you saw in a recruiter's office? And about officer training?"


HAHahah thanks alot for the feeback guys. that is true however because my recruiter, HOWEVER nice he seemed and was telling me all these things about PLC, a lot of the things he told me turned out to be untrue. He's really nice n all but he tends to guess incorrectly about things about the program.

Now i KNOW that i must speak to an OSO, especially since you guys are telling me that one wouldnt have to go through bootcamp to apply for PLC (!?!?!?!?!)

i do wish i could get deployed, to authenticate being a marine, but its just i dont want anything to get in the way of my college education, after i get my degree then they could send me anywhere in the world, i wouldnt care as long as i have my degree...
 

perotti17

Registered User
Deenose,

It is great that you are set on getting your degree. I've only been in the Marines for a short amount of time and cannot the count the times I've heard, "I was going to get my degree, but..." Its funny how recruiters "guess incorrectly" so often. Good luck.
 

Petrov

Registered User
Since your PFT score is so low you are probably better off enlisting before you apply for PLC. Just remember that there are no guaruntees that you are going to be accepted. Long story short, only enlist if you can be happy staying enlisted and not making it into OCS.
 
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