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OCS good and bad points for 2LTs-to-be

helldog

Registered User
Airwarriors has been excellent in its advice, news, real-life stories, ideas exchanges, photos, and questions for those just in, priors, those like me with a miniscule taste of military life, and those without a clue. It helped me pass the ASTB and has even educated me in subjects I didn't know'd be relevent and ended up being so soon thereafter...kudos, all. I wish I could post a request like this in every thread, but focus on the most immediate issue is the most efficient way to deal for me.
For anyone intent on getting in, what were or are some of the best parts of attending OCS, be it intake, assignments & drills, people, things, what to do when you have free time (are you allowed off premises for the weekend?), and the worst (like pulling firewatch at 0200 or getting your room trashed)? Any examples like stories and photos would be great! Definitely will help as a prep outline.
 

DocT

Dean of Students
pilot
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11150

Try that thread for some OCS advice/info. I started it before I went to seniors and it ended up with great advice and stories from a number of people. It's a great start and may spawn more direct OCS questions. To start, you won't have "a room" at OCS, well you will, but you'll be sharing it with your platoon. Firewatch sucks, but it's a part of life. I remember not really remembering firewatch shifts becuase I was just a zombie.

Applying is part of the screw of OCS, you wait and you're uncertain for long periods of time. It's probably an invaluable intro to the mindset at OCS, because uncertaintly is definitely part of the game.
 

helldog

Registered User
This is a great start...didn't mean to reinvent the wheel; I couldn't find any old threads on this subject. Will hit your link ASAP. Glad to know the app. process mindset will be typical fare.
 

ctusmc1999

Registered User
Helldog- The link that DocT posted is a great site but I would also like to offer you a little about OCS from my perspective. You can take what you want and leave the rest. I was an instructor there before I attended last August so I had the opportunity to see OCS from both perspectives.
First of all, before you attend you want to get as much sleep as possible, even if it means not leaving your bedroom the week before shipping off. Once you get off the bus (or your car) you will have one of the OCS staff members (not a Sergeant Instructor) escorting you at double-time. OCS is all about getting from point A to point B in the shortest amount of time and in an organized fashion. This is why learning drill before hand helps out a lot.
The first few days are long and boring and full of paperwork. It is hard on those who have never left home for an extended period of time. After processing comes the big day, when you are introduced to your new family. Because many schun on anyone who gives away the details of what happens at OCS, especially the first two weeks I will leave it at this; the most important two weeks are the first two weeks. As long as you do what your told, when your told to do so, and with intensity you will not have a problem with it. Most mornings start around 0500 or so and most don't hit the rack until around 0100. The lights are out around 2200 but most have to either write essays, letters home, do laundry, firewatch, prepare uniform for next day, clean squadbay, and/or stretch out as many muscles as you physically can. Sleep deprevation is the killer at OCS if you ask me. Most of the physical tests and classroom exams are not that difficult if you are well prepared and awake. This is not the case at OCS, for the most part you have to do everything on less than 3 hours of sleep. It takes getting used to but if you can make it to the 3rd weekend, the 24 hours off (liberty) will be the best 24 hours of your life. 20 of it will probably be spent sleeping and eating a huge steak at TGI Friday's. Moving from the sleep issue, I would argue that the most important things you can do at OCS is help other candidates out when they are struggling, and eat as much food during chow as possible. Between the PT and hot Virginia summer days, you will need all the carbs you can get. Usually having time to eat your chow is not a problem, the Sergeant Instructors may not care about you, but they would rather make sure you are fed and hydrated instead of filling out medical paperwork on you.
Another factor that I did not see coming going back to OCS was the lack of air conditioning in the tin-can style classrooms. I remember one of our exams was at about 1500 in the afternoon and it was about 102 outside. Inside it was at least 10 degrees higher and you could feel it. I think about 80% of the company fell asleep during the exam. This leads me to my next point...DRINK DRINK DRINK...H2O is the drink of choice at OCS. Sometimes we would all pretend that our canteen of water was a nice tall glass of Sam Adams, it was the best we could do.
The best way to prepare for OCS PT is to run at least 2-3 times a week in boots 3-4 weeks before shipping out. The more broken in your boots are the less chance you have of getting injured. Believe it or not, there were two candidates who were sent home because of blisters...not fun.
My last point for you is to make sure you polish up on your writing skills. (No more or less than 300 words per topic and you have to underline and number every word. Any word less than 4 letters is not considered a word, therefore you will not number it or underline it.) The best way to attack writing essays at OCS (and I know because I had 15 of them!) is to write them in class in between taking notes. The more you can get done in class the better, otherwise you will have very long nights in the head using the light to write your essays. Well I hope this helps...like I mentioned before, there is a lot more to OCS than this...a whole lot more...but the reason why OCS is so successful is because the extra details are not meant to be spoken. The "Unknown" factor is the most important factor.
 

Slammer2

SNFO Advanced, VT-86 T-39G/N
Contributor
ctusmc1999 said:
...I was an instructor there before I attended last August so I had the opportunity to see OCS from both perspectives...{/QUOTE]


Thanks for the post! What did you instruct at OCS while there? :icon_mi_1
 

Malice 1

Member
pilot
This is silly advice, but I just witnessed it. When on liberty, don't walk around Potomac Mills mall in your khakis and buzzed head trying to hit on girls. You will look like a fool and everyone knows you are a candidate.
 

helldog

Registered User
Thank you for continuing this thread ctusmc...I know others new or otherwise may have new things not posted in the link they'd like to add. I'll definitely remember to bunk early the week before OCS, pending confirmation. Was teamwork in consolidating platoon/squad tasks and covering for each other a big asset (one guy washes laundry during firewatch while the others sleep; the team cleans occupied mate's bays while he helps another OC with writing an essay/studying/uniform or drill issues) there?
 

helldog

Registered User
Malice 1 said:
This is silly advice, but I just witnessed it. When on liberty, don't walk around Potomac Mills mall in your khakis and buzzed head trying to hit on girls. You will look like a fool and everyone knows you are a candidate.

Not silly, if you knew some of my poor, clueless, horny friends, both civvy and uniformed. Nice to know...good thing I'm no Cassanova wannabe. :brokenhea been there, done that.
 

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
helldog said:
Thank you for continuing this thread ctusmc...I know others new or otherwise may have new things not posted in the link they'd like to add. I'll definitely remember to bunk early the week before OCS, pending confirmation. Was teamwork in consolidating platoon/squad tasks and covering for each other a big asset (one guy washes laundry during firewatch while the others sleep; the team cleans occupied mate's bays while he helps another OC with writing an essay/studying/uniform or drill issues) there?


Each firewatch had assigned duties - the first two shifts to fill canteens for the morning, the last two to swab the head, and the rest to cycle laundry. We formed little study groups, but there's not much you can do to help out another candidate write an essay without running into an integrity violation. Besides, it takes almost as long to copy an essay as it does to write one, since the content isn't exactly publish-worthy. (I had to rewrite two essays because I didn't format them properly - still took me close to two hours due to the numbering and underlining crap).
 

usmcecho4

Registered User
pilot
A few comments:
-Bring erasable black pens (saves you an assload of time).
-Me and my friends actually got hit on at Potomac Mills (this happened just after I commented that no girls would be interested in us because we looked so dumb).
-I would keep essay writing in class on the DL (unless of course you want more essays in which case by all means write away).
-Doing laundry in the day helps out too (I don't know why more people didn't do this).
-Train but don't over train.
-Just do what you are told and you will do fine (it's the overly creative/clueless that seem to have the most trouble).

s/f,
usmcecho4
 

tegtag

New Member
This Candidate just graduated from 189 so I'll add a few things (and few more later when I get the chance):

Firewatch:
-Yes they have assigned cleaning duties but you usually wake up and clean the squad bay again. However, you must do you duties because sometimes they check. For example the last shift on Corporal of the Guard (super firewatch for those that don't know) skipped their duties so all the firewatches had to do it again on liberty.

-If firewatch is on their game and you work out some sort of system all laundry can be done every night if all your machines work. I got to the point where I just did mine every weekend as to not "lose" anything during laundry as many people did.

-The worst firewatch is 0300-0400 because you wake up at 0245 and you're up for the day.

Sleep:
-The first few weeks you will get less sleep, but as the days go by you will get more and more organized and therefore get more sleep. You will be tired all day long, just go when they say go and try to stay awake when you are not going.

Classrooms:
-Not a problem anymore. All of the next OCS classes will be held in the new classroom facility by the bridge (Yeckel Hall I believe).


Now that I'm back I tell people OCS was fun, boring, frustrating, hard, stupid, great. I concur with running a lot before going. Do hills, lunges and sprints too. Remember that everything you are doing has a purpose later in OCS or in the fleet. It took me until week nine to finally figure that out about one of my Sergeant Instructors whom I pretty much hated. Then I had that epiphany and he was my favorite one after that.

PM if you have any specific questions.
 

stevo01

Registered User
tegtag said:
This Candidate just graduated from 189 so I'll add a few things (and few more later when I get the chance):

Firewatch:
-Yes they have assigned cleaning duties but you usually wake up and clean the squad bay again. However, you must do you duties because sometimes they check. For example the last shift on Corporal of the Guard (super firewatch for those that don't know) skipped their duties so all the firewatches had to do it again on liberty.

-If firewatch is on their game and you work out some sort of system all laundry can be done every night if all your machines work. I got to the point where I just did mine every weekend as to not "lose" anything during laundry as many people did.

-The worst firewatch is 0300-0400 because you wake up at 0245 and you're up for the day.

Sleep:
-The first few weeks you will get less sleep, but as the days go by you will get more and more organized and therefore get more sleep. You will be tired all day long, just go when they say go and try to stay awake when you are not going.

Classrooms:
-Not a problem anymore. All of the next OCS classes will be held in the new classroom facility by the bridge (Yeckel Hall I believe).


Now that I'm back I tell people OCS was fun, boring, frustrating, hard, stupid, great. I concur with running a lot before going. Do hills, lunges and sprints too. Remember that everything you are doing has a purpose later in OCS or in the fleet. It took me until week nine to finally figure that out about one of my Sergeant Instructors whom I pretty much hated. Then I had that epiphany and he was my favorite one after that.

PM if you have any specific questions.

oh really?
 

mmx1

Woof!
pilot
Contributor
DocT said:
What's going on here?

"This candidate..err.. I'll have a coke"

Or at least that's what I thought steve was referring to (candidates talking abt themselves in the third person).
 
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