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DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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Hey everyone, I was questioned by my friend in NROTC, why does the military have it's higher ranks as silver and the lower ones as gold (ie: Ensign/LTJG or LCDR/CDR)? It's the same thing in Boy Scouts... I've searched a bit and can't find much on the subject... she said they were told it had something to do with Marines Colonels and some sort of belt they had early on being silver, but we all know about Marines and their stories:icon_smil :) , and if so, how'd this catch onto the entire military?
 

Lawman

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Story I heard (way back in boyscouts) was that it was to be differnt from the English Officer Insignia's. No idea as to the validity so this is totally me just repeating what could be very bad gouge.
 

gregsivers

damn homeowners' associations
pilot
I was in Boy Scouts and was told its because silver is harder and stronger than gold. Thus the higher rank is silver because its higher than the other. I'm pretty sure thats correct, but I'm no expert.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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Actually I just found a wikipedia article which seems to make the most sense, in short the Army authorized Infantry Colonels to wear gold insignia on silver capulets while the rest of the Army wore silver on gold... so when they decided it was time to make rank insignia the same across the board, there were obviously more colonels who were silver on gold and so they switched to that system. 2 Lt's were given gold bars in WWI as well it says, as opposed to Captains having 3 silver bars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army#Rank_Structure


I'm sure the BSA follows that military tradition as well... by the way... just found out my Eagle Court is on Flag day! Nearly 2 years after I earned it, I'm pretty psyched.
 

eddie

Working Plan B
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DanMav1156 said:
I'm sure the BSA follows that military tradition as well... by the way... just found out my Eagle Court is on Flag day! Nearly 2 years after I earned it, I'm pretty psyched.
Congrats!
 

gregsivers

damn homeowners' associations
pilot
DanMav1156 said:
... by the way... just found out my Eagle Court is on Flag day! Nearly 2 years after I earned it, I'm pretty psyched.

2 years? what gives? Congrats on the accomplishment by the way. I got mine done just before I turned 18.
 

mules83

getting salty...
pilot
I had a friend who waited almost 3 years to do his ceremony. It was due to him just being lazy.

Being a Eagle Scout probably got me into college since my grades were not too hot.
 

Squid

F U Nugget
pilot
side note. heard in my ready room this afternoon:

There are only two worthless ranks in the Navy, both wear gold.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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Contributor
gregsivers said:
I was in Boy Scouts and was told its because silver is harder and stronger than gold. Thus the higher rank is silver because its higher than the other. I'm pretty sure thats correct, but I'm no expert.

Well I should rephrase... 1.5 years... but still... it was due to the fact that my scoutmaster wouldn't let me plan my Eagle Court and my parents were just too busy to do the planning... but they finally got around to it. Flag Day is a good day to have it. I'm pretty excited.

Kind of funny, I dont have my Eagle Patch or Medal yet, but I have my bronze palm... o well. :icon_tong


Being a Eagle Scout probably got me into college since my grades were not too hot.

My grades were good, but Eagle Scout definitely got me into some places where I wouldn't have gotten in otherwise I say... and being SPL and Eagle Scout definitely made for good conversation with congressional nomination interviews and other USNA/NROTC interviews... definitely a great experience.
 

Country Boy

Proud Father
As far as the original question goes, I had always heard the story that originated with the Roman commanders (a lieutenant commands one line of men therefore one bar, etc) and their insignia were made out of plated gold, so the longer they were in, the gold would begin to rub off and silver would show. But I cannot offer any credibility or sources for it.
 

Fred

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http://www.history.navy.mil/trivia/triv4-5i.htm


Lieutenant Colonels started wearing oak leaves about 1832 on their shoulder straps. The leaves had to be the same color as the shoulder strap borders so Infantry Lieutenant Colonels wore silver leaves while others wore gold. This arrangement, not surprisingly, lead to confusion with some Majors and Lieutenant Colonels wearing gold leaves while others wore silver leaves. The Army did away with that bit of confusion in 1851 by having all officers wear straps with gold borders, all Majors wear gold oak leaves, and all Lieutenant Colonels wear silver leaves as they do today.
 

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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Could this be the answer...which is higher?

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nittany03

Recovering NFO. Herder of Programmers.
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A curious Ensign once asked this question of his Master Chief and got the following explanation.

"You see, sir, you wear that gold bar because as an Ensign you're valuable to us, but still malleable. We're trying to shape you into the kind of officer you should become, so we give you gold bars. As you get more experience as a J.G., you become less malleable, so your bars then become silver. And as a lieutenant, you're twice as valuable, so we give you two silver bars."

The Ensign thought this through and then inquired as to meaning behind the higher rank insignia.

"Well," the Master Chief said, "Captains soar high over their troops, so we give them a silver eagle. And by the time you become an admiral, you're up there amongst the stars, so that insignia becomes obvious."

The Ensign thought this was a good explanation, but noted that the Master Chief had left out the middle two ranks. Why did O-4s and O-5s wear their insignia?

"That's the most ancient tradition of them all," the Master Chief said. "You see, as soon as Adam and Eve ate from the tree in the garden of Eden, they discovered they were naked. And from that moment forward, humans have always covered their pricks with leaves . . ."

(AW Smilies in effect . . . :D :D :D)
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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Schnugg said:
Could this be the answer...which is higher?

periodic.jpg

I used to have sodium oak leaves, but they burst into flames after I was doused with beer at my wetting down. After I got out of the hospital, I decided that the rank just wasn't worth it.
 

The Chief

Retired
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DanMav1156 said:
Hey everyone, I was questioned by my friend in NROTC, why does the military have it's higher ranks as silver and the lower ones as gold (ie: Ensign/LTJG or LCDR/CDR)? It's the same thing in Boy Scouts... I've searched a bit and can't find much on the subject... she said they were told it had something to do with Marines Colonels and some sort of belt they had early on being silver, but we all know about Marines and their stories:icon_smil :) , and if so, how'd this catch onto the entire military?


I will tell you, but first gonna have to go find some limes and vodka to get up a little courage!:D
 
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