Osprey Info

[Dustball]

I was browsing the MARADMINS released today and it stated when they will start transitioning squadrons to the MV-22. Of course when does anything happen on time. I attached part of the maradmin.

2. BACKGROUND. ACTIVE AND RESERVE OPERATIONAL CH-46/CH-53D
HELICOPTER SQUADRONS WILL TRANSITION TO MV-22 SQUADRONS BETWEEN FY06
AND FY18. VMMT-204 AND NAMTRAMARU NEW RIVER WILL TRAIN MARINE
CORPS AND AIR FORCE V-22 PILOTS, CREW CHIEFS, AND ENLISTED V-22
MAINTENANCE MARINES. IN FY06, THE FIRST TWO TACTICAL CH-46 SQUADRONS
WILL ENTER TRANSITION TRAINING. PER REFS A AND B, POLICIES HAVE BEEN
PUBLISHED TO ENSURE EQUITABLE PROMOTION AND RETENTION OPPORTUNITIES
FOR ENLISTED MARINES. THIS MARADMIN REFINES THOSE POLICIES IN ORDER
TO CONTINUE PROPER MANAGEMENT AND SHAPING OF THE ENLISTED POPULATION
WHILE BETTER ENABLING COMMUNITY TRANSITION AND ONGOING WARFIGHTING
REQUIREMENTS.

 

[USMCBebop]

Whatever

Of course when does anything happen on time.

Yeah really. When I went to The Big Suck back in 1999, an SPC in our Co. was a CH-46 driver who went through flight school in the late '80s. He said even then that come 1990, the Corps would be underway with the MV-22 transisition and all who were in the helo pipeline would be flying the damn thing!

The other question is, did they take of of the bugs that have been causing the Osprey's crashes? I hope so. Otherwise, we'l have more dead Marines and more butts in slings. :icon_rage

 

[RickyDT34]

The other question is, did they take of of the bugs that have been causing the Osprey's crashes? I hope so. Otherwise, we'l have more dead Marines and more butts in slings. :icon_rage

I think most of the problems have been because of training. The civilian version took two years to develop and they have not had as many problems as the Marine Corps R&D version.

 

[USMCBebop]

I think most of the problems have been because of training. The civilian version took two years to develop and they have not had as many problems as the Marine Corps R&D version.

Civvie or USMC version, whatever! But they've [civvies and military] been testing this damn thing since the mid eighties! There's no excuses.

 

[TANGO 1]

The sad part of this whole thing is that the Marine Corps would have saved a whole bunch money if they had left the Airforce to handled all this, but the Marine Corps is the only branch pushing for the aircraft. All other branches will only take it, if it works. Their missions are not affected if today the life-line to the project is pegged. i think the Marine Corps by now should have lent a lesson, that we don't really have fundings to go into solo projects, we need to seek financial assistance from our fellow sister services. I would not say they should cut this program, because much has gone into it, but those that were in service during the Harrier days would remember something similar. Well i am not sure the harrier is living to its price tag.
It is good all branches are into the JSF thing, but the Marine Corps version still raises the question of weather or not it is going to be another Harrier II disaster project where they just keep pumping money into the whole thing and with little success. As it is, the damn thing is overweight and the engineers are now back to the drawing board. Too many moving parts to aid flight is never a very interesting idea. I will not be surprised if the other services already have theirs in their evaluation squadrons and the Marine Corps is still battling with some problem or the other.

just my thoughts.

 

[phrogdriver]

Bottom line. The program wasn't handled well for a long time. However, this is a revolutionary change in aviation. How many jets crashed when we went from props to jets in the 50s? It's on track now, and too many people want to live in the past.

 

[TANGO 1]

I really think we should go forward by all means, but then i guess somthing has to pay for something else to be worthwhile, just like some of our job might entail.
The face of War is continaully changing and to keep up we need cutting edge technology.

 

[USMCBebop]

Move on indeed

I hope you all didn't think that I'm against the Osprey (hey, we're pushing our CH-46s and CH-53s to the limit!). Like I said, I hope all the bugs have been taken care of.

It's on track now, and too many people want to live in the past.

That's good news! I think the media is helping those folks "live in the past."

 

[lugginjugs]

A river guide told my wife that Ospreys drown sometimes because sometimes the fish they catch are too heavy and their talons don't release without setting the fish down on something. Is this true? Who's an ornithologist here?

 

[RickyDT34]

A river guide told my wife that Ospreys drown sometimes because sometimes the fish they catch are too heavy and their talons don't release without setting the fish down on something. Is this true? Who's an ornithologist here?

That's funny... not really, this thread is about the MV-22 osprey. Thanks for the info though.

Does anyone know why the Air Force version is ten knots slower than the Marine version?

 

[46Driver]

I really think we should go forward by all means, but then i guess somthing has to pay for something else to be worthwhile, just like some of our job might entail.
The face of War is continaully changing and to keep up we need cutting edge technology.

Who is the threat? Is the weapon system you are buying cost effective? Are there better things that the money can be spent on? Remember, in this war alone, there were not enough armored HMMMV's, not enough body armor for the troops, and today in the Wall Street Journal they are reporting that we are seriously short of bullets. DoD has only got so much money.

 

[FlyingDoc]

That's funny... not really, this thread is about the MV-22 osprey. Thanks for the info though.

Does anyone know why the Air Force version is ten knots slower than the Marine version?

Not sure, but here is some good info.

http://pma275.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=aircraft.

If you look, the Navy and Air Force use higher rated transmissions than the Marines. Interesting....

 

[TANGO 1]

Who is the threat? Is the weapon system you are buying cost effective? Are there better things that the money can be spent on? Remember, in this war alone, there were not enough armored HMMMV's, not enough body armor for the troops, and today in the Wall Street Journal they are reporting that we are seriously short of bullets. DoD has only got so much money.

But one of the advertised pros of the Ospery is more lift and more fire power. If this is indeed true then there will be no doubt as to what edge we will have over the enemy. We will be able to insert troops and extract with lesser amount of time and move them back to the rear; we can always use more fire power to supress the enemy whenever the need arises.
But seriously, when we talk about a weapon system as not being cost effective, we must definitely have a better and readly available option.
I understand that you are a 46 driver and that you have experienced the capabilites of the 46 and offcourse its shortcomings, but until the the Osprey is combat proven and found incapable to meet combat MC needs i don't think it is fear to set it aside. If for nothing else, but for those lives lost in an effort to see its success (not trying to be sentimental). In fact i am a firm believer that the Marine Corps should have invested in building a newer 46 where they can work on the deficiencies of the old and then bring a whole new aircraft into the ball game. Kind of like what was done on the F/A -18. The 46's definitely need a break, you can certainly testify to that.
Sir, i understand that the guy on the ground needs the flak jackets and ammo and this is infact the bulk of our mission. Kicking down doors and engaging the enemy on the ground is more of what we need to focus on, making that part of the mission more efficient. But like it always seems to me, they focus more on the minor while primary is bearly cared for.
Just like the JSF thing(not to mix threads together) but i honsetly do not see that thing working. I will not be suprised if i am in my second tour and they are still running test on the thing.

Just on the side. Would you know a Capt. Moore. He was with black Knight down at New river i believe. 46 driver.

 

[RickyDT34]

Not sure, but here is some good info.

http://pma275.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=aircraft.

If you look, the Navy and Air Force use higher rated transmissions than the Marines. Interesting....

I get a very odd error when i click on the link. Any idea why the two different transmissions. Were the marines just looking for better speed/range?

 

[phrogdriver]

The USAF version is going to be much heavier. They are adding such extras as a terrain-following radar and possibly an anti-IR missile laser. Plus, I think they're adding extra gas for their standard mission loadout. They want more range, but less payload, for their spec ops work.