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Other Branches at Navy Flight School

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Davey

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What do you think about Coast Guard Officers showing up in Pensacola? Since no questions are stupid, at what stage does the "flight school" begin? Don't all Navy officer candidates go through OCS and learn a little about flight at the same time? And how many weeks of OCS does Navy OCS last? In the Coast Guard OCS lasts 17 weeks. After they're done, everyone converges upon the "flight school." Is everyone in "flight school" is from a different branch of the armed services?

"Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once."
-William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar

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cman

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I don't really know what you're getting at with the question about Coast Guard Officers in P-cola. If you're wondering about if they would be looked down upon by some of the Navy or Marine students there: the answer is there would probably be some of that, but that's pretty shallow in my opinion and those that would be inclined to do so are most likely looking to try and makeup for a low opinion of themselves.

To answer your questions about OCS and "flight school." First off, Navy OCS last 13 weeks and a class of candidates includes those with student naval aviator designators as well as other designators like surface warfare, supply, SeALs, and others. I've not been through OCS, but I don't think there is any instruction concerning naval aviation except for academic classes that cover it in a general (the role and history of naval aviation) manner. Flight school comes after you are commissioned and is actually divided into a couple stages of training. Student aviators (pilots and NFOs) first report to API (aviation preflight indoc). Next is primary which is followed by intermediate and then advanced training. After primary, your training assignment for intermediate and and advanced depends on which platform you are selected for, ie: jets, props, or helos. Which platform you are selected for depends on you class ranking after primary as well as the needs of the different aviation communities. From what I understand, NAS Pensacola trains Navy and Marine Corps aviators, as well as Coast Guard aviators. To what degree the classes are mixed, I couldn't tell ya.

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JayManC

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Davey, back in the day there used to be 2 OCS schools for the navy, there was AOCS in p-cola and OCS in RI. due to budgetary constraints i believe this program was consolidated sometime in the late 80's early 90's. that being said i do not belive the curriculum is specifically oriented towards aviation officer candidates.

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Davey

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Thanks guys. I read up on som stuff since I wrote that and realize I sounded pretty nieve. But CG OCS is still 1 month longer than Navy OCS. Wow. What's the status of Navy/CG/Marines training with the Air Force? Any websites you know of that break down where API, Primary, Intermediate, and Advanced take place with links?

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HoistHook

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No really dumb questions...

For starters...I can only speak for NAS Whiting Field w/API in P-cola. Navy & Marine students (I believe) ALL attend API at NAS P-cola. ALL Coast Guard students do. Navy & Marine students can go to primary at NAS Corpus Christi or NAS Whiting. They also can attend primary at Moody, Vance, and maybe one other AFB in San Antonio. Air Force students (I believe) attend whatever their preflight indoc course is called at an AFB, where, I don’t know. Air Force students can also attend primary at VT-3 at Whiting Field, which alternates Navy and Air Force commanding officers. I don’t think as a Navy or Marine Corps officer you have a whole lot of say in where you go for primary, but I may be wrong.
So who am I? I’m a Coast Guard instructor...in HTs. Here are my experiences. When I attended flight training as a student, it was the Navy, the Marines, us, and a few Allied country types. And the CG's been in P-cola since 1917, so get used to us. It’s not much different now, though the Air Force is thrown into the mix at VT-3, and may be coming to helo advanced as the Air Force starts to implement the V-22 into their Special Ops...but they aren’t here yet. Pretty much what you’re going to find is that only one of you is the sharpest knife in the block, and it probably isn’t you, and even if it is, don’t get full of yourself...somebody else has better stick and rudder skills, or is better at instruments, or whatever. The person it is may be a Marine, may be a Coastie, may be a Navy type. May even be (heaven forbid) a foreigner! Coasties make up about 10% of the student pool at Whiting, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. We wing about 60 aviators a year. About 40 of those fly helos, the remainder go to Corpus for advanced multi. Nobody goes tactical in the CG, no matter how good your grades, but you know that going in. Marines make up about 30% of the student pool, Navy folks most of the remainder with somewhere around 10% international students. So who’s the smartest? Doesn’t matter what color cover you wear. 10% of the students make Commodore’s List or Commodore’s List w/Distinction in helos. About 30-35% of those folks are Coasties. If you didn’t think much of us before, you might after. Believe me, I heard all the jokes when you guys were soiling diapers, so spare me. My best buds from flight school are a couple Marines and a couple Navy guys. A lot of folks from both services try to transfer to the CG after their commitment is up.
As far as looking down on other services...waste of energy, and waste of time...you’ll need both, so I suggest leaving it alone. My Marine on-wings and Navy on-wings look upon me with some skepticism when we meet...I’m used to it. They also rapidly realize I know what I’m doing and that I know more about their services than they do, not to mention what I know about my own and that I’ve forgotten more about all sorts of flying than they’ll figure out for years. It comes from working hard. That’s where your reputation comes from. Each day you add a brick to your rep...it’s up to you if it’s cemented solidly in place or built in some sort of half-assed way. The best instrument instructors (and this is a broad generalization) are Coasties and Navy guys, but the worst instrument instructor in the HTs is pretty darn good. The best tactics guys are Marines and Navy guys from certain communities. The best form guys are Marines. There are many exceptions to all of those and the one thing you can count on in a multiservice squadron is difference of opinion. But, when you realize that the CG gets a lot of pilots with prior Army, USMC, Navy, & Air Force time, it’s all a wash. I’ve spent my whole career in the CG, but I’m more than capable of flying tactics at the level required in the Training Command. Your ultimate FRS...different story, I can't fight a Cobra, but those guys can’t do a no-reference hoist over a shrimper at night in 35’ seas, either. Flight training is about generalization...fleet aircraft are about specialization, to a point.
As to the rest, cman’s post is pretty much on the money. It comes down to how hard you work, how well you do. A large number of you will not get jets. Some of you won’t get wings. Many of you will fly helos. Some of you will not get your first airframe choice. If any of those things above happen to you, remember, that’s why they’re called “Orders”, not “Suggestions”. Don’t foul where you eat by griping about your unfair treatment if you get some airframe you didn’t have your heart set on. Every community is proud (and rightly so), so don't be a fool and gripe if you don't get what you want. I didn’t get the orders I wanted out of flight training and at the time I thought it was unjust, though I kept my mouth shut...but with the perspective of years, what I ended up with was probably better.
I’ll tell you something I heard in flight training myself. “There’s not a bad job in Naval Aviation...” True. If you ever think that’s false, you should probably seek an alternate form of employment. This work is too difficult, too important, is occasionally fatal and pays too little for you to be miserable doing it, and whoever else may be counting on you to carry out your mission isn’t expecting you to be contemplating your existence while you consider what coulda, woulda, or shoulda been. What coulda been is you could be back home drinking cheap beer with losers from your high school who will never do anything. After a fleet tour, they'll all wish they were you, and you'll be thankful you aren't them.
So show up, be sharp, work hard, and if you get to helos...above all, have fun. I’ll be gone before any of you get there, but HTs were a great place when I was a student, they’re a great place now.
 

gregsivers

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Chief of Naval Air Training, CNATRA, has a good website that tells where all the air training takes place. www.cnatra.navy.mil It should answer your questions about what phases are where and what planes they use, etc.
 

Future Herc Driver

About to start Tac phase in the Herc.
To supplement what Hoist was saying. If you are AF and are selected to attend training at Whiting as a pilot or at mainside as a WSO you will attend API with everyone else. As far as training or working with other services, dont get cocky. You will work with other services throughout your career. A lot of guy talked a lot of sh*t during API, but it all changes during flight training. You learn we are all going for the same goal and you may need a buddy in another service who may be better than you at something to help you. Its all about survival. Just keep an open mind.
 

perchul

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Not to suck up to HOIST but alot of non-cg air gets grounded when the weather won't permit...thats when the CG gets started. Also not that this makes for better pilots but its easier to get flight contract from the Corps or the Navy then it is for CG.
 
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