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[srqwho]

Can't find anything exactly like this here... or I suck. Anyway, I'm in the process of submitting my package, but just got a conditional job offer from a national security govt. agency. If I get into OCS I am not going to take the position, but I have time b/c the agency has to do this massive background check (4-6months). Part of it was an SF86 (MAKE SURE NOT TO THROW THIS AWAY AFTER YOU SUBMIT YOURS TO YOUR RECRUITER!!!!) and a polygraph test this Monday. I don't have any skeletons, but the idea of a polygraph is a bit heavy. I realize that the background check is not as extensive when applying to OCS, but b/c this agency is doing what sounds like a more intense background check, if for some reason I am dq'd from the job(can't think of anything), will this affect my Navy background check? Thanks.

 

[Harrier Dude]

"Remember.....it's not a lie if you believe it"- George Costanza

In all seriousness. Don't sweat it. If it's a lifestyle polygraph, then it will be uncomfortable, but just don't lie. You'll be fine if you really don't have any issues. It won't wreck anything WRT the navy.

Then again, if they "find out about the coke ring and organized crime scandal you were involved with last year", it'll ruin both.

That doesn't sound like the case.

Honesty is the key. They are less concerned with what you may have done in the past than they are about lying about it.

 

[Flugelman]

No Sweat

Been there, done that... I had to do the polygraph at age 55 for one of our customers. Lots more time under the bridge (that's a mixed metaphor if I heard one...) to be remembered but still no sweat. Just relax and don't try to hide anything. Don't worry if you get called back for follow-up sessions as they are VERY thorough.

 

[Scoob]

if for some reason I am dq'd from the job(can't think of anything), will this affect my Navy background check? Thanks.

Yes.

"To your knowledge, have you ever had a clearance or access authorization denied, suspended, or revoked, or have you ever been debarred from government employment? If "Yes," give date of action and agency. Note: An administrative downgrade or termination of a security clearance is not a revocation."


But it probably won't be a deal breaker, depending on the circumstances. You'd also probably want to let your recruiter know if it happens and update your clearance submission so that it doesn't come back to bite you.

 

[Flash]

I don't have any skeletons, but the idea of a polygraph is a bit heavy.......if for some reason I am dq'd from the job(can't think of anything), will this affect my Navy background check? Thanks.

Don't sweat the poly, it is nto that big of a deal.

Yes.

"To your knowledge, have you ever had a clearance or access authorization denied, suspended, or revoked, or have you ever been debarred from government employment? If "Yes," give date of action and agency. Note: An administrative downgrade or termination of a security clearance is not a revocation."

But it probably won't be a deal breaker, depending on the circumstances. You'd also probably want to let your recruiter know if it happens and update your clearance submission so that it doesn't come back to bite you.

Not necessarily, read what you posted. If he gets turned down for the job it does not mean it was because of something to do with the clearance. Just something to tell your investigator whenever you go up for a Navy clearance, that you put in for a job that required it and you were turned down (if you were) but you don't know why (if you don't). If they don't tell you it was for security issues of course.

 

[BACONATOR]

I've known at least one person to have lied and beaten the poly.....

But to make it easy on yourself and keep the stress off....don't lie!

 

[FLYTPAY]

So are you planning on changing your name to Bob, growing chops and a ponytail, and fly mercenary attack helos?

 

[mb1k]

Believe it or not, I had a troop (AF speak for sailor) that lied on her SF86 about not using canibis. Later she lost all her clearances when she was a civilian.

Quick and dirty, the usage was her last week in the military, she was already on terminal leave and a civilian for all intents and purposes. The usage of pot was not the issue she lost her clearance for, it was lying about it.

Pot usage=workable
Lying about using pot=show stopper

 

[BACONATOR]

Believe it or not, I had a troop (AF speak for sailor) that lied on her SF86 about not using canibis. Later she lost all her clearances when she was a civilian.

Quick and dirty, the usage was her last week in the military, she was already on terminal leave and a civilian for all intents and purposes. The usage of pot was not the issue she lost her clearance for, it was lying about it.

Pot usage=workable
Lying about using pot=show stopper

With this and similar issues, it NEVER is the deed itself, per se, but the LIE about the deed. I heard from the rumor mill about an ENS here in Corpus who partied hard and showed up late to a brief (NOT a flight, just a brief) still hungover/inebriated and he was asked if he had been drinking. He said no. They said, are you sure. He said no. Sent to medical/brig/wherever, piss tested, failed and attrited out of flight school. The story goes that he was kicking ass and taking names and on the fast track to jets.

Is the story true? Who knows, but it proves a point. If you fuck up (ie: smoked some pot, drank within 12 hours to brief or whatever) ADMIT TO IT, and ESPECIALLY when asked. There was a period a few years ago where a LOT of civilian pilots were getting busted for drunk flying when partying too hard the night before. Granted it can't be a continuing trend, but there is AT LEAST 1 or 2 get-out-of-jail-free cards that you can pull, get a slap on the wrist and live to fly another day.

If you have something to admit to, admit to it. Better to get counseled (IE: ass chewing) than to lose your job/future/career.

 

[mb1k]

WRT to Bogeyspotter story. True story. Had SNA not lied, it would have been a hand slap and on he goes. Lesson learned, don't lie.

 

[srqwho]

Thanks for input everybody. Wasn't planning on fudging anything. If anything interesting happens monday I'll be sure to tell.

 

[MasterBates]

Moved some posts to the other thread, apparently the forum hiccuped and put my reply to another thread here.

My post and the responses moved.

 

[nugget81]

I heard from the rumor mill about an ENS here in Corpus who partied hard and showed up late to a brief (NOT a flight, just a brief) still hungover/inebriated and he was asked if he had been drinking. He said no. They said, are you sure. He said no. Sent to medical/brig/wherever, piss tested, failed and attrited out of flight school. The story goes that he was kicking ass and taking names and on the fast track to jets.

Is the story true? Who knows, but it proves a point. .

To echo mb1k, the story is true and relatively recent (last Fall). That guy was in the same RIGS class as me. He had a projected NSS of 70+. It was his second day in a row being late to class.....talk about a quick way to kill a career. Last I talked to him, he requested an IA and got denied. Doubt he'll be in the Navy much longer....

Accountability and responsibility go hand in hand.