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Paying It Forward

JONNY

New Member
Since I have received so much great information from AirWarriors these past six months prior to coming to OCS, I feel compelled to return the favor and give some advice to those who are following in my footsteps.

I was selected as a Pilot for the 3OCT2010 OCS class. I was NPQ'd for both Pilot and NFO on the Tuesday after the Sunday I arrived. I was NPQ'd because of a previously unknown eye and heart condition. I chose not to redesignate because I made the mistake of wanting to become a pilot first and Naval Officer second. You must want to be a Naval Officer first and pilot second. I made that mistake and take full responsibility for that. The main goal of this post is give some advice to those of you who are worried the same thing might happen to you.

If you are worried, I would get the NAMI physical standards PDF off of their website and bring it to a doctor/cardiologist/opthamologist and get your eyes thoroughly checked and take an EKG, etc. Check off all the boxes and make sure you are physically qualified. I wish I did this before coming to OCS. It might be a little expensive, but it will save you a lot of time being trapped in Student Pool, especially if you have a family at home or you have other plans you would like to pursue. MEPS is not a full flight physical. It is just an initial screening.

To put it in perspective, the majority of people in Student Pool are NPQ'd pilots and NFOs. The vast minority are DORs. I've heard countless horror stories while at OCS. One guy's recruiter fudged his anthros on his application, and he was NPQ'd immediately for being too short for both pilot and NFO. Another guy was NPQ'd for both pilot and NFO the day he was supposed to graduate and another was NPQ'd two days after becoming a candio. Some things you can't avoid, but my advice is to do anything to mitigate your risk.

That sums up most of what I wanted to say, but I know many of you are curious about the flight physical at OCS, so I will describe that a little. You will go to the Navy clinic off base on either the first Monday or Tuesday. It will be a LONG day. We arrived at 6am and didn't leave until about 4pm, all the while sitting at attention and being locked on. The flight docs are in constant communication with the flight docs at NAMI in Pensacola.

For the visual acuity test, they will have three charts at 20 feet away, one 20/20, one 20/30, and one 20/40. They use the Goodlite chart everyone talks about. It has 5 letters across and 10 down, so 50 total letters. In order to pass, you must get 100% of the letters correct on the 20/40 chart. They check the lighting with a light meter to conform to NAMI standards. If you fail any exam, they will retest you twice at later dates. The docs want you to pass, so they will do everything in their power to find a way to pass you, but they will still be realistic with you. Every other eye test has multiple variations, so they will try every test to see if you get better results and they will use the best results. They are pretty knowledgeable and cool guys.

I hope this helps some people. It was my dream to be a Naval Aviator, but it was just not meant to be. I followed my dream to its logical conclusion and that's all that you can ask for.

JONNY
 

twobecrazy

RTB...
Contributor
I appreciate your honesty and hopefully others will read this and adhere to what you are saying. It has been said on this site many times that you are an officer first and a NA/NFO second. It is definitely eye opening if you join then find out you are NPQ'd. Then realizing your priorities are wrong.

That being said this will fall on deaf ears to those who continue to believe that when you join to be a pilot you will be doing Mach 2, playing volleyball, and doing nothing else. The previous statement wasn’t directed at you but to others that may not be fully committed to becoming an officer first. Remember it is a PRIVILEGE to be a NA/NFO it is an HONOR to be an OFFICER!

Good Luck to you Jonny!
 

JONNY

New Member
MEPS only covers the basics. They don't perform half the tests you need for a real flight physical. They found my eye problem on one of the more in-depth eye tests (they spent about 2 hours total with me just on my eyes trying to figure it out), and they found my heart problem on the EKG, which MEPS also doesn't do.
 

nativeofsandieg

New Member
Sorry about your bad luck, that's never fun after completing all the steps to get that far. What kind of heart/eye problems are we talking about?
 

m26

Well-Known Member
Contributor
To put it in perspective, the majority of people in Student Pool are NPQ'd pilots and NFOs. The vast minority are DORs.

I'm confused. If you NPQ on a flight physical you're sent to student pool? What if, say, you were NPQ for aviation but PQ for SWO. Would you have to sit around in student pool until you could redes?
 

JONNY

New Member
I was out of standards for Heterophoria and I was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome. Apparently I could die randomly via sudden cardiac death.

They told me that I was NPQ for all aviation and asked me if I'd like to redesignate. I said no so they moved me to Student Pool. They will keep you in the regimen while you decide.

Hope that helps.
 

Boomhower

Shoot, man, it's that dang ol' internet
None
There was an experimental program called A.C.E.S. back in the Early-2000's. The week before OCS, the NA/NFO types would hang around NAS Pensacola and get the full flight physical, take a ride in a T-34, go through the spin & puke and hit the pool for all of the required swims. It was a good deal because they could find all of this stuff out before you actually reported to OCS. It was a good deal for the candidates because we got all gouged up on OCS for a week and we knew the lay of the land prior to reporting.

We lost 2 people out of about 10-12 of us during that program. One had a heart murmur, the other got so sick on the T-34 ride that I thought she was going to throw herself up inside-out. The heart murmur guy didn't report to OCS, the girl redesignated. Saved the Navy millions of dollars.

Good program. Don't know why they quit doing it.
 

CUPike11

Still avoiding work as much as possible....
None
Contributor
That being said this will fall on deaf ears to those who continue to believe that when you join to be a pilot you will be doing Mach 2, playing volleyball, and doing nothing else.


First Jon, I still say Good on you for taking responsibility. I'm still very impressed and proud that you are taking this the way you are and even willing to help others out and not be bitter about like I have seen so many do. I'm glad I came to know you and that we've become friends after talking over these several months. If there is anything you need or that I can help you with, please don't hesitate to ask.

I really hope that those pursuing OCS will heed Jon's advice. You MUST MUST MUST want to be an Officer FIRST and understand that and have it imprinted into your brain. It's easy to say "yeah yeah, I know" and then get there and realize that you really don't get it. Also what twobear said above is true even after OCS. Once you get down to Pensacola, you're not out of the woods. Many make the mistake of thinking that yes, Aviation is just volleyball on the beach, drinking all day, and getting to "look" like an aviator and tell girls you're in flight school (which is incredibly lame by the way if you have to drop that line).

I've seen far too many drop out in IFS/API because they don't realize how much studying and work goes into learning this job. But there's nothing we can do about that. In the meantime, please make sure all of you understand again how important that distinction is before you make such a huge commitment. Otherwise, you're doing yourself and the Navy a complete disservice.
 

fjd24

Flight time is good time...
pilot
I will chime in on this. Listen to Johnny. You will save yourself a lot of time by going through a very, very in depth physical before OCS if you are an aviator.

One of my very good friends, who some might know from OCS, was going to be an NFO. He was pulled from the program near the end of week 1 because of an unknown heart condition. When you hear about those athletes who die suddenly in sport, that's essentially what his prognosis was, a la Hank Gathers.

He was in H-Class(restricted) and student pool for a long time, as the doctors were trying to figure out what they could do. His chance at aviation was gone, but they were unsure if he could redesignate. I even personally drove him to Tufts medical center in Boston to see the #1 cardiologist in the country for this condition. After months they told him he was being separated, because of the chance that he die in training.

Not only was his aviation and Naval career over, but he had a serious medical issue and will be on medicine(ace inhibitors, beta blockers) likely for the rest of his life unless he is lucky enough for the problem to correct itself over time. The bitch of it is...he was the most athletic and in shape person in the regiment and several instructors and DIs said he was the best they had seen in a long time. Easily sub 7 PRT time.

So, moral is, even if you're in superior shape and are going to be an Aviator. Get checked out. Your naval career and perhaps even your life might depend on it!



Great advice, thank you. And it's also great that the Navy does look that deep into each prospective candidate. As much as it may seem like your friend had a really tough break, better to find out the easy way than the hard way. The Navy really does not mess around.
 

SynixMan

Mobilizer Extraordinaire
pilot
Contributor
Seriously, it sucks for people that this happens to, but you want someone to get a NAMI style physical before they go to OCS? No way. Worry about the shit you can change and don't sweat the stuff our of your control. Sure, something shitty might happen, but 90% of people are fine. You have a crazy heart condition? Good thing the Navy told you before you died from it. They're screening you for you and your future crew's safety. No one is out to screw you personally. At least you found out a few weeks into your career. There are people who sell their college years to the Navy expecting to be Pilot/NFO, only to get NPQ'd in PCola.

If you still want to be a Naval Officer once you NPQ, good on ya. If not, thanks for playing and see you later.
 
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