USN Showdown between Super Hornet and F-35

[ChuckMK23]

The "new" airwing - 2 squadrons of Super Hornets + 2 squadrons of F-35C's?

A showdown/competition coming for sure.

https://news.usni.org/2017/02/16/tr...-head-boeing-ceo-lead-super-hornet-jsf-review

 

[armada1651]

The notion of Rhinos and F-35s competing against each other is indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of modern fighter aviation. It's like a football team having a competition to decide whether wide receivers or quarterbacks are "better."

 

[Recovering LSO]

A showdown/competition coming for sure.

This misses a lot.

 

[Flash]

Interesting management style.

 

[Renegade One]

The "new" airwing - 2 squadrons of Super Hornets + 2 squadrons of F-35C's?

Hasn't that long been the Naval Aviation Road Map?

 

[Randy Daytona]

Article today on the subject.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...f-35_vs_fa18xt_the_future_soldier_110831.html

Seems like it would have been easier in retrospect if the America class LHA's and our allies light carriers had all decided to add catapults and just dispense with the headache of VSTOL fighters.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Article today on the subject.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...f-35_vs_fa18xt_the_future_soldier_110831.html

Seems like it would have been easier in retrospect if the America class LHA's and our allies light carriers had all decided to add catapults and just dispense with the headache of VSTOL fighters.

The point of the LHD/LHA is the embarked Marines and helos.

Also I have no idea what that "article" has to do with what you said.

 

[Jim123]

Seems like it would have been easier in retrospect if the America class LHA's and our allies light carriers had all decided to add catapults and just dispense with the headache of VSTOL fighters.

Legions of Marines, reading this on their computers:

 

[jmcquate]

Article today on the subject.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/art...f-35_vs_fa18xt_the_future_soldier_110831.html

Seems like it would have been easier in retrospect if the America class LHA's and our allies light carriers had all decided to add catapults and just dispense with the headache of VSTOL fighters.

VSTOL is more for recovery than launch. Non angled decks don't play well with stuff spotted forward...............bolters aren't really an option.

 

[sevenhelmet]

This whole concept of a "showdown" is just:

It not only demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of modern fighter aircraft, but also of the intent of the F-35 buy. Even the original intent wasn't to replace every Super Hornet. And now... quite a bit less, it would seem.

 

[zippy]

Related:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...r-fa-18-super-hornets-instead-some-f-35s.html

Whether or not this is just negotiating pressure to get a better price on a product plagued by overruns and delays or if they're actually going to spend time determining whether or not the Navy and Marine Corps,really need the capability of the F35 in the numbers they planned, this is interesting to watch.

 

[Randy Daytona]

The point of the LHD/LHA is the embarked Marines and helos.

Also I have no idea what that "article" has to do with what you said.

I am well aware of the Gator Navy's primary role.

I also agree with the study below that if you are going to build a ship the size of a Midway class carrier (the America class LHA), then it should have catapults and an angled deck. This gives the Navy increased capability and flexibility for a relatively small price increase. The article also proposes a return to 4 ship ARG's.

Too late now, but I wonder how much more capable and how much less expensive the F-35 could have been if it did not have a VSTOL requirement in any of the variants - thus influencing the F-35 vs F-18 debate. I leave that for the go fast guys. As the aircraft is in production and the question moot, this seems to more a shipbuilding question for the future.

In www.realcleardefense.com earlier this week.

http://csbaonline.org/research/publ...new-fleet-architecture-for-the-united-states-

 

[jmcquate]

The F-35 is in the fleet (at least on the green side). It's here. The program is too far along to re-think shit. Same shit happened with the F-14. It went through ACM bullshit with F-4s.

 

[Jim123]

I also agree with the study below that if you are going to build a ship the size of a Midway class carrier (the America class LHA) ginormous LPH, then it should have catapults and an angled deck.

Which is what it really is...

 

[Treetop Flyer]

I am well aware of the Gator Navy's primary role.

I also agree with the study below that if you are going to build a ship the size of a Midway class carrier (the America class LHA), then it should have catapults and an angled deck. This gives the Navy increased capability and flexibility for a relatively small price increase. The article also proposes a return to 4 ship ARG's.

Too late now, but I wonder how much more capable and how much less expensive the F-35 could have been if it did not have a VSTOL requirement in any of the variants - thus influencing the F-35 vs F-18 debate. I leave that for the go fast guys.

http://csbaonline.org/research/publ...new-fleet-architecture-for-the-united-states-

A Midway class carrier didn't embark a MEU. It's a ridiculous argument.

Do we need big ass nuclear carriers instead of more smaller carriers? Do we need jets on LHD/A's? These are relevant questions. Arguing to turn an LHD into a CVA is just silly.