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flynglthrnk

USMC PLC
I know all of this has been beat the hell out of but here are just a few questions: First off, when you finally earn the wings of gold, are they actually gold or just brass? Second, when I was in ocs this summer I heard a lot about how you only fly in the Marines for the first few years of service, then after that you pretty much do other billets. Is this true? or can you keep flying beyond Major? Lastly, I heard you can tranfer to other branches after your contract is over and keep your rank and years of service, like in the ANG or NR. How true is that? Thanks.
 

Clux4

Banned
Yes, you will get the wings of gold, because that is what they are called. In the Marine Corps, you have to do a B - billet duty which you will perform for certain years after which you will be back to the aviation side of the house unless you choose otherwise. You will still do alot of flying until LtCol, but then when you pick up Col. you do more of office (desk) work and just keep up with the flight hours on the side.You can always transfer to the ANG after your contract is over, but I can't tell you how their rank structure works.

This is how I understand things. I am sure somebody on the forum can always correct me if I am wrong.
 

USMCBebop

SergeantLieutenant
As far as "Being able to fly" for your whole career, the way I understand it is there is no limit (age or otherwise) as long as you can pass the flight physical.

HOWEVER, like Clux4 said, those "other duties" will be required in order for you to move up the rank structure and career. Those duties will keep you from the cockpit for a time. (Duties like OCS, TBS, Recruit Training, OSO, a "Staff" tour in Washington just to name a few.) Then you have those "mandatory" schools you have to attend in order for you to advance in the ranks (like Amphibious Warfare School).

Yes, you can definitely fly past Major, as a squadron CO, air group CO or Air Wing CG (though I don't know how much flying the latter two does. I'm pretty sure you have to be cleared for flight in order to lead those flying units).

There is also talk that a Marine Aviator will also command a Navy Carrier Air Wing (CVW) in the future. That aviator will/would be a full bird colonel. It makes sense because Marine F/A-18 squadrons have been deploying regularly w/ Navy CVWs for the last ten years now (that's nothing new, BUT before 1994, Marine Fighter Squadrons deployed with a CVW which seemed like once in a blue moon. With the disestablishment of a couple of F-14 squadrons, several CVWs only had one fighter element. So the Navy turned to F/A-18s to fill the void left by the disestablished F-14 squadron. Several Marine F/A-18 squadrons filled those voids). To be a CAG (a Navy acronym held over from WWII, to denote the Commander of a Carrier Air Group, before it was changed to Carrier Air Wing), you definitely have to be cleared for flight.

But like I said, a Marine Colonel as CAG is only in the talks as of now.

But anyways, to recap, as an aviator, there will be mandatory duties and schools that will keep you from the cockpit and there are times when you can still fly after Major. Remember you're a Marine first and aviator second.
 

flynglthrnk

USMC PLC
Thanks for the info, the way some of the guys in my platoon made it sound you didn't fly AT ALL after the first few years. I didn't think that was correct because I thought you would have to stay current. I just could'nt believe that you would be completely alienated from the air side due to other billets, as some portrayed to me. I still am curious about the wings of gold though. I understand that they are the "wings of gold" because that is what the title is, but I was told from an old naval aviator that the wings were SOLID 14k gold when they were pinned on you! I found this hard to believe, but thought maybe they were in his day, or maybe he is just a crazy old goat. I would just like to know what they are actually made of when you get them pinned on. I don't care if they are gold, bronze, plastic, or tin, as long as they are THE coveted "wings of gold"!
 

zab1001

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Clux4 said:
Yes, you will get the wings of gold, because that is what they are called....This is how I understand things. I am sure somebody on the forum can always correct me if I am wrong.

FYI, "of gold" means the color. The exchange isn't selling wings for 8 bucks (or whatever they cost these days) made from any precious metal. You can go with the exchange specials, or buy a set of real-deal gold. Or, as I've stated in another thread, you can get the exchange ones dipped in gold at most jewlers, even cheaper/easier overseas. Those guys will usually be able to sell/make you a set as well, for much less than anybody stateside.
 

Clux4

Banned
zab1001 said:
FYI, "of gold" means the color. The exchange isn't selling wings for 8 bucks (or whatever they cost these days) made from any precious metal. You can go with the exchange specials, or buy a set of real-deal gold. Or, as I've stated in another thread, you can get the exchange ones dipped in gold at most jewlers, even cheaper/easier overseas. Those guys will usually be able to sell/make you a set as well, for much less than anybody stateside.

I meant they will look like gold, but I did not state it. When I read the question, what immediately came to mind was the Airforce wings that were silver looking. So in replying, I was just trying to tell the fellow they looked like gold. Offcourse, I know they are not gold.

Thanks for correction. I wonder how many people actually have gold wings?
 

PSno23

GEAUX TIGERS
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But like I said, a Marine Colonel as CAG is only in the talks as of now.

Actually, I read an article a few months back about how a Marine Colonel became a CAG. It was a pretty significant article since he was the first Marine to ever hold that position. I believe it was back in January maybe?
 
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