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Strategy Page names Top Ten Fighters

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frogman

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http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=TOPTEN.HTM

May 6, 2005: What are the ten best fighters out there, and which of these planes are better than the others at the top of the heap? Fighters have one primary mission: Seize control of the air, and enable their side’s attack planes to get through while also preventing the opposing side from attacking friendly forces and bases. Many of these fighters have also proven themselves to be adept at other roles (ground attack, anti-ship) as well, but their primary purpose is to control the air.

10. The JAS.39 Gripen. This is a small single-seat fighter using the F404 turbofan engine. This aircraft is capable of numerous missions (point-defense interceptor, ground attack fighter, and even anti-shipping). It is highly maneuverable, and is a worthy successor to the Draken and Viggen interceptors that Sweden has built. This is what the 1980s F-20 Tigershark (an early competitor of the F-16 and F-18) could have been, had it not been stillborn.

9. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. This is the ultimate Hornet, without the range limitations of the F/A-18A/B/C/D, and with two extra weapons pylons. This fighter is based on a proven design, and has even been used as a tanker with the premature retirement of the S-3 Viking. Sheer versatility – and improvement from the original make the Super Hornet’s place on this list a secure one.

8. F-15C Eagle. This is perhaps one of the last of the single-purpose aircraft. This plane has done one thing for 30 years (air-to-air combat), and done it well (over 100 kills to no losses). However, what is remarkable is the almost-untapped potential the airframe has as a ground-attack platform. The F-15E Strike Eagle has become a superb multi-role fighter. However, the F-15 has gotten long in the tooth for air superiority.

7. F-16C Fighting Falcon. This is a bird that has become a classic. Widely exported, and it has amassed a solid record. Still being built to special order for export customers, it not only has scored air-to-air kills in service with the United States, Israel, and Pakistan, but it is also one of the most numerous modern fighters in service today.

6. Su-27 Flanker. This was built to counter the F-15, and it has become one of the more feared aircraft out of Russia. Highly maneuverable, it is equipped and designed for a dogfight, it has been exported. The wide export market for this plane and its variants (the Su-30 in particular) is the primary reason for the F-22.

5. F-14D Tomcat. This is a plane that had aged like fine wine. Originally designed to face the Tu-22M3 Backfire bomber in protection of American carriers, it has become a carrier-launched version of the F-15E. Capable of long-range attacks using the AIM-54 Phoenix, the F-14 proved it was capable of dogfighting in two incidents with Libya (the U.S. Navy fighters scored four kills for no losses). This is a plane retiring before its time.

4. Eurofighter Typhoon. A low-observable multi-role fighter. It is fast, maneuverable, and carries a lot of air-to-air missiles. It also can be used for attack missions as well. This is a fighter that will be the backbone of at least four air forces (the UK, Spain, Germany, and Italy).

3. Dassault Rafale. Another European multi-role fighter with some stealth built in, this aircraft not only carries out the air-to-air and attack missions, it also comes in a naval version. Its first export order was recently signed – to Saudi Arabia. Equipped with French air-to-air missiles, it edges out the Eurofighter since its naval version could interest other countries who have carriers (Brazil and India come to mind).

2. F-35. This plane will be the new F-16 in ten years. Not only is this replacing the F-16, the A-10, the AV-8B, and some F/A-18s in U.S. service, but it will replace aircraft in other countries as well. Like the F-16, it will be produced in numbers. When it enters service, it will outclass many aircraft.

1. F/A-22 Raptor. This is the F-15C’s replacement. Entering service this year, it renders every other air-superiority aircraft obsolete. This is a plane that can not only outfly any other plane in the world, outrun any other plane in the world, and it can do so while remaining virtually unseen. The F-22 is a true heir to the F-15, and could do so in another fashion if Lockheed’s FB-22 proposal takes off.

– Harold C. Hutchison (hchutch@ix.netcom.com)
 

Brett327

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Such a subjective topic that any top ten list ends up being pretty much meaningless. You might as well rate the top ten hotest AW posters. Personally, I vote for Integer. Where is that cute little fella?

Good times,

Brett
 

The Chief

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Brett327 said:
Such a subjective topic that any top ten list ends up being pretty much meaningless. You might as well rate the top ten hotest AW posters. Personally, I vote for Integer. Where is that cute little fella?Good times,Brett

Meaningless in so many ways. For example, how many points awarded for ability to operate from an aircraft carrier?
 

A4sForever

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One thing "lists" like the above always fail to take into account is the guy driving; his basic skills, proficiency, and training: i.e.,

The Aviator

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The bottom line: it's always the "man" who makes the weapons system sit up and talk. If you polish a pig -- it's still a pig --- and you can't take a plumber and make him a Blue Angel just by putting him in an Su-27, can you ???

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.... a.k.a. ....The Bottom Line
 

Goober

Professional Javelin Catcher
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"Know what makes this bird go up? Funding."

Have to agree - if you don't have them yet (or have enough to matter) 'cause they're so damn expensive, they hardly rate consideration. Totally subjective list.
 

frogman

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I had similar thoughts as well...I've never seen a list like this, and thought it a little funny that someone would put one together.
 

A4sForever

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No, it's a good list; there's always a time and place to consider things like this. The only problem is that the uninitiated --- and unfortunately, too many of whom work in government bureaucracies, take these "lists" as gospel without any hands-on knowledge to back up their "technical" discourse. A good list --- always worth studying ...... know your enemy and so forth.

And always reference the : Bottom Line (above) :)
 

SteveG75

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frogman said:
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/qndguide/default.asp?target=TOPTEN.HTM

May 6, 2005: What are the ten best fighters out there, and which of these planes are better than the others at the top of the heap? Fighters have one primary mission: Seize control of the air, and enable their side’s attack planes to get through while also preventing the opposing side from attacking friendly forces and bases. Many of these fighters have also proven themselves to be adept at other roles (ground attack, anti-ship) as well, but their primary purpose is to control the air.

Funniest thing about this list is that except for the F-15C, every plan on it is a "strike/fighter". Even the USAF realized that a pure fighter is no longer the way to go and redesigned the F/a-22 (small a on purpose) to carry the Small Diameter Bomb (250lb JDAM).

The only purpose of a fighter is to get the strikers to the target and if one airframe can do the job, then so be it. The F-14 is a great "strike/fighter" and hasn't carried a Phoenix in a long time (at least in US service).

There are other ways to get through.. stealth, JX, SRTC, stand off weapons.
There are better ways to defend fixed sites than a CAP....Patriot, IHAWK, SM-2.
 

Schnugg

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You got to define the requirements for making this list to make it have value...

Are the jets equipped with rails, MERs, tanks, stores, etc, etc....

Now a good list would be wrt pure 1 v 1 off a butterfly start at 20K feet and 325 kts????

Speed, angels set on the left.
Speed, angels set on the right...Fights On!!
 

Jolly Roger

Yes. I am a Pirate.
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One thing "lists" like the above always fail to take into account is the guy driving; his basic skills, proficiency, and training: i.e.,
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.... a.k.a. ....The Bottom Line

That looks a lot like Guy Borderlon, the only USN ace in Korea.
 

Grant

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The way I think of it is kinda like "Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge". Everyone has their favorites, but one is not clearly better than another. Definitely laymans terms, but thats what I am... :D
 

A4sForever

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Jolly Roger said:
That looks a lot like Guy Borderlon, the only USN ace in Korea.

That's very Jolly, Roger .... and a good guess --- close, but no cigar .... he was just a "guy" like the rest of us ... and like Bordelon (sic) he flew Corsairs in Korea and later founded a color photography studio (kind of new back then) in Gardena, CA after the war ..... Lt Guy "Lucky Pierre" Bordelon of VC-3 on the USS Princeton pictured on the right ....

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As you can see --- Bordelon liked to sign his pictures .... :) An historical aside re: Bordelon ..... Guy Bordelon earned his wings as a Naval Aviator in 1943. He became a 'plowback' instructor at Kingville Texas, but not because he was a good pilot at that time. He barely squeaked through the Navy's flight school, almost washing out. He later told his daughter, Michelle, "Being kept back from going out to the fleet was the best thing that could have happened to me, because then I really learned how to fly." He was an assistant Gunnery Officer on USS Helena (CA-75) and by his own testimony said his "black shoe C.O. hated aviators" .... but with the paucity of Naval Aviators when Korea rolled around, Bordelon was called back to flying duty and ended up in VC-3 out of NAS Moffett, flying Corsairs in the all-weather night fighter squadron ...... Bordelon became an Ace on the night of July 16, 1953 when he bagged an La-11 for his fifth kill.

So I guess there's hope for all of us, yes ???
 

Flash

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Goober said:
"Know what makes this bird go up? Funding."

Have to agree - if you don't have them yet (or have enough to matter) 'cause they're so damn expensive, they hardly rate consideration. Totally subjective list.

"No bucks...no Buck Rogers".
 
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