Yeah, I grew up most of my life in Ventura, CA. I was spoiled when it came to good surf. I have friends with a beach house at San Miguel Point in Ensenada. I'd go down there once a month for a couple of days. Also go surf "The Ranch"(Hollister) up north of Santa Barbara, and of course everything from Rincon to Malibu. Oh, what I would give to be 17 yrs old again!! I have only windsurfed a couple of times at Leo Carillo. I'm not so good at the windsurfing thing at all, but if it came down to NO surfing and just windsurfing, I would do it just to stay in the water. Like Frumby said, when you grow up around the ocean, surfing is a way of life and I had to get away from the ocean to finish school because 3 years ago you couldn't get me more than a day or two out of the water without getting the shakes from not surfing. I almost have my degree now and the Navy will give me the best of both worlds, fly KICK ASS aircraft and live near the ocean. Hell, I'll probably get more ocean than I want in the Navy!!