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HAL Pilot

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I did not see this any where else. Sad ending to a great ship but this should provide a heck of a lot of useful information on CV survivablity and damage control.


The Associated Press
Updated: 7:24 p.m. ET March 3, 2005WASHINGTON - The Navy plans to send the retired carrier USS America to the bottom of the Atlantic in explosive tests this spring, an end that is difficult to swallow for some who served on board.

The Navy says the effort, which will cost $22 million, will provide valuable data for the next generation of aircraft carriers, which are now in development. No warship this size or larger has ever been sunk, so there is a dearth of hard information on how well a supercarrier can survive battle damage, said Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command.

The Navy’s plan raises mixed emotions in Ed Pelletier, who served on the America as a helicopter crewman when the ship cruised the Mediterranean shortly after its commissioning in 1965.

He said he was “unhappy that a ship with that name is going to meet that fate, but happy she’ll be going down still serving the country.” Pelletier, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., is a trustee of an association of veterans who served on the America.

Issues surrounding a vessel bearing the name of its country are often more sensitive than for other ships. In 1939, Adolf Hitler, fearful of a loss of morale among his people should Germany’s namesake ship be sunk, ordered the pocket battleship Deutschland renamed for a long-dead Prussian commander.

Up to six weeks of tests
Since its decommissioning in 1996, the America has been moored with dozens of other inactive warships at a Navy yard in Philadelphia. The Navy’s plan is to tow it to sea on April 11 — possibly stopping at Norfolk, Va. — before heading to the deep ocean, 300 miles off the Atlantic coast, for the tests, Dolan said.

There, in experiments that will last from four to six weeks, the Navy will batter the America with explosives, both underwater and above the surface, watching from afar and through monitoring devices placed on the vessel.

These explosions would presumably simulate attacks by torpedoes, cruise missiles and perhaps a small boat suicide attack like the one that damaged the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen in 2000.

At the end, explosive scuttling charges placed to flood the ship will be detonated, and the America will begin its descent to the sea floor, more than 6,000 feet below.

The Navy has already removed some materials from the ship that could cause environmental damage after it sinks, Dolan said.

No public viewing of experiments
Certain aspects of the tests are classified, and neither America’s former crew nor the news media will be allowed to view them in person, Dolan said. The Navy does not want to give away too much information on how a carrier could be sunk, she said.

Why the America? No other retired supercarriers were available on the East Coast when the test was planned, Dolan said. The others — the Forrestal and the Saratoga — were designated as potential museums, she said.

In a letter to Pelletier’s group, Adm. John Nathman, the Navy’s second-in-command, called America’s destruction “one vital and final contribution to our national defense.”

“Ex-America’s legacy will serve as a footprint in the design of future aircraft carriers,” he wrote.

Although no larger warship has ever been sunk, bigger civilian vessels have gone down. The largest ship in the world, the supertanker Seawise Giant, was sunk by Iraqi warplanes in the Strait of Hormuz during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. Fully loaded, it displaced more than half a million tons. It was later refloated and renamed.

Victim of Cold War budget cuts
The America, which is more than 1,000 feet long and displaces about 80,000 tons, exceeds the size of the Japanese World War II battleships Yamato and Musashi, and the carrier Shinano, which all displaced close to 70,000 tons. The Yamato and Musashi fell to American warplanes, the Shinano to a U.S. submarine.

The America was the third carrier of the non-nuclear Kitty Hawk class, and the first to be retired, a victim of post-Cold War budget cuts after 31 years at sea. It launched warplanes during the Vietnam War, the 1986 conflict with Libya, the first Gulf War, and over Bosnia-Herzegovina in the mid-1990s.

Pelletier and other veterans who served on the America said their farewells in a Feb. 25 ceremony at the ship in Philadelphia. Some artifacts have been removed for museums and veterans’ groups; in addition, Pelletier’s association will place a time capsule on board.

The Navy has several other carriers awaiting their fates. Environmental regulations make breaking warships up for scrap metal largely unprofitable, though some still are dismantled. The Oriskany, a smaller carrier that was commissioned in 1950, is scheduled to be sunk as an artificial reef off the coast of Pensacola, Fla., late this year.

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

RevnR6

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Wow, that is nuts. Too bad we cant see it go down. But then again I dont want that info to be available to anyone else either. Lets hope that the navy learns something that will save the lives of sailors in the future. Godspeed America.
 

Jolly Roger

Yes. I am a Pirate.
Why can't they do that to the JFK, instead of the America? I rather the America, since it is named after the Republic, be scuttled instead of the JFK and the JFK be used as target practice. Or for God's sake rename it, like we used to do with obsolecent ships turned into target vessels.
 

El Cid

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I dunno... I kind of think that it is a noble way to go. You know, taking one for the team so that the next generation is better. It is sort of like the testing of the USS Scamp SSN 588. She was used for steam leak testing that allowed for better understanding of how an actual casualty would go down.
 

Aviator4000

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HAL Pilot said:
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I did not see this any where else. Sad ending to a great ship but this should provide a heck of a lot of useful information on CV survivablity and damage control.

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:24 p.m. ET March 3, 2005WASHINGTON - The Navy plans to send the retired carrier USS America to the bottom of the Atlantic in explosive tests this spring, an end that is difficult to swallow for some who served on board.

The Navy says the effort, which will cost $22 million, will provide valuable data for the next generation of aircraft carriers, which are now in development. No warship this size or larger has ever been sunk, so there is a dearth of hard information on how well a supercarrier can survive battle damage, said Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command.

The Navy’s plan raises mixed emotions in Ed Pelletier, who served on the America as a helicopter crewman when the ship cruised the Mediterranean shortly after its commissioning in 1965.

He said he was “unhappy that a ship with that name is going to meet that fate, but happy she’ll be going down still serving the country.” Pelletier, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., is a trustee of an association of veterans who served on the America.

Issues surrounding a vessel bearing the name of its country are often more sensitive than for other ships. In 1939, Adolf Hitler, fearful of a loss of morale among his people should Germany’s namesake ship be sunk, ordered the pocket battleship Deutschland renamed for a long-dead Prussian commander.

Up to six weeks of tests
Since its decommissioning in 1996, the America has been moored with dozens of other inactive warships at a Navy yard in Philadelphia. The Navy’s plan is to tow it to sea on April 11 — possibly stopping at Norfolk, Va. — before heading to the deep ocean, 300 miles off the Atlantic coast, for the tests, Dolan said.

There, in experiments that will last from four to six weeks, the Navy will batter the America with explosives, both underwater and above the surface, watching from afar and through monitoring devices placed on the vessel.

These explosions would presumably simulate attacks by torpedoes, cruise missiles and perhaps a small boat suicide attack like the one that damaged the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen in 2000.

At the end, explosive scuttling charges placed to flood the ship will be detonated, and the America will begin its descent to the sea floor, more than 6,000 feet below.

The Navy has already removed some materials from the ship that could cause environmental damage after it sinks, Dolan said.

No public viewing of experiments
Certain aspects of the tests are classified, and neither America’s former crew nor the news media will be allowed to view them in person, Dolan said. The Navy does not want to give away too much information on how a carrier could be sunk, she said.

Why the America? No other retired supercarriers were available on the East Coast when the test was planned, Dolan said. The others — the Forrestal and the Saratoga — were designated as potential museums, she said.

In a letter to Pelletier’s group, Adm. John Nathman, the Navy’s second-in-command, called America’s destruction “one vital and final contribution to our national defense.”

“Ex-America’s legacy will serve as a footprint in the design of future aircraft carriers,” he wrote.

Although no larger warship has ever been sunk, bigger civilian vessels have gone down. The largest ship in the world, the supertanker Seawise Giant, was sunk by Iraqi warplanes in the Strait of Hormuz during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. Fully loaded, it displaced more than half a million tons. It was later refloated and renamed.

Victim of Cold War budget cuts
The America, which is more than 1,000 feet long and displaces about 80,000 tons, exceeds the size of the Japanese World War II battleships Yamato and Musashi, and the carrier Shinano, which all displaced close to 70,000 tons. The Yamato and Musashi fell to American warplanes, the Shinano to a U.S. submarine.

The America was the third carrier of the non-nuclear Kitty Hawk class, and the first to be retired, a victim of post-Cold War budget cuts after 31 years at sea. It launched warplanes during the Vietnam War, the 1986 conflict with Libya, the first Gulf War, and over Bosnia-Herzegovina in the mid-1990s.

Pelletier and other veterans who served on the America said their farewells in a Feb. 25 ceremony at the ship in Philadelphia. Some artifacts have been removed for museums and veterans’ groups; in addition, Pelletier’s association will place a time capsule on board.

The Navy has several other carriers awaiting their fates. Environmental regulations make breaking warships up for scrap metal largely unprofitable, though some still are dismantled. The Oriskany, a smaller carrier that was commissioned in 1950, is scheduled to be sunk as an artificial reef off the coast of Pensacola, Fla., late this year.

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Wasn't the G.I. Joe aircraft carrier number 66? I always wanted that carrier but my dad told me it cost too much. I asked santa for it but I never got it which is why I stopped believing in the fatman. They should have sunk any other carrier but that one. Just like Jersey numbers in pro sports they should have retired the name America, however this is Just my two cents.

On a more serious note why doesn't the Navy sell are old non nuclear aircraft carrier to friendly countries like Brittain, Italy, or Israel instead of scraping or sinking them? I am sure I will get the "that is a dumb question response" but I am a little curious on this subject.
 

nittany03

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Britain already has a carrier, as does Italy. Neither has a tailhook air arm; both fly Harriers instead. None of Israel's threats come from the sea . . . they have no need for a carrier.
 

Aviator4000

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nittany03 said:
Britain already has a carrier, as does Italy. Neither has a tailhook air arm; both fly Harriers instead. None of Israel's threats come from the sea . . . they have no need for a carrier.

So maybe our government can convince them to buy some F-35C's then they would have a need for tailhook air arm. Look at what happened to Brittains Navy in the Fauklands, they could use a REAL carrier. That is if they ever decided to take action without U.S. military backing them up around the world.
 

bch

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Aviator4000 said:
On a more serious note why doesn't the Navy sell are old non nuclear aircraft carrier to friendly countries like Brittain, Italy, or Israel instead of scraping or sinking them? I am sure I will get the "that is a dumb question response" but I am a little curious on this subject.

We have yet to scrap a nuclear carrier. And when the time comes, you can bet, it will not be sold to another country. People tend to get a little uneasy about selling nuclear anything, let alone power plants and technology.

On your other post, try taking a break from all thie lifting and working out (profile) and doing some research b4 slamming another nation's ability to field a legit navy. Just becuase something does not look like our super carriers, does not make it junk.
 

HAL Pilot

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Further, we are not necessarily decommissioning/scrapping them because they have reached the end of their useful life but because they cost too much to contimue to operate. If we can't afford them, neither can the UK, Itally, Austrialia, etc.
 

A4sForever

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Give it up, people .... We are the only country in the world that can operate big decks .... and we're struggling these days.

E.O.D. (end-o of discussion) .... although I am not lobbying to lock this thread (AW smiley :censored_ )
 

Aviator4000

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bch said:
We have yet to scrap a nuclear carrier. And when the time comes, you can bet, it will not be sold to another country. People tend to get a little uneasy about selling nuclear anything, let alone power plants and technology.

On your other post, try taking a break from all thie lifting and working out (profile) and doing some research b4 slamming another nation's ability to field a legit navy. Just becuase something does not look like our super carriers, does not make it junk.

Again Faukland Islands, I am not dissing on Brittain they have a very formidable military and are one of, if not are strongest ally. I think that if Brittain could operate a full sized carrier it would decrease some of the U.S. Navy's burden to have a presence in that part of the world. That is in addition to the financial benefits the U.S. Navy could reap from a sale of a decommisioned carrier (not to mention the sale of the jets to go with it). Of course these issues are above just about everybody's pay grade and I don't even have a pay grade yet so I guess the discussion is over. I was just a little curious why this hasn't been done to date.
 

zippy

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Even if we wanted to sell one of our carriers, who would want to buy it? Have you looked at European defense spending lately? Britain is making cuts to its fleet, not expanding it. Im not sure which part of the world you are reffering but, it seems to me like the Navy's burden in South America isn't all that great right now- even if it was, I wouldn't expect another country to alter its defense strategy to ease the burden of our own national interests.
 

bch

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Aviator4000 said:
Of course these issues are above just about everybody's pay grade and I don't even have a pay grade yet so I guess the discussion is over..

A few posts late, but glad you realized it
 
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