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USS Edsall Found!

Mos said:
Destroyers were already pretty fast by the end of WWI as they were supposed to be able run circles around the battlefleet, so maneuvering wasn't the issue. Bigger difference between Clemsons and later American destroyer classes was improved efficiency and armament, especially anti-air.
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Stability for several destroyer classes was an issue as they loaded them up with new armament as the war went on.

HuggyU2 said:
Apparently not.
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Nope, in most aspects they are much better.

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Flash said:
She was an older destroyer (near WWI vintage) that didn't have the latest in WWII technology or design, so less design and more the fact that you had to expend a lot of shells back then to get a hit. In her particular case apparently the Japanese were not having a good day, coupled with the Edsall making things very difficult for them made her surviving as long as she did against the odds she faced notable.
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I've read that the Japanese ships had to rely on flags and firing flares to be able to target ships whereas American ships had mechanical computers that allowed them to hit back with much better accuracy. So even if the Edsall lacked such, the Japanese probably weren't too much more advanced.
 
robav8r said:
Based on recent events with AF F-15 aircrews and the IKECSG, I’m not so sure. Old fucks like myself are quick to lament the “us versus them” mentality wrt generations past. All of us who serve, somehow find a way to win, regardless of the environment, conditions and limitations.
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What have the F-15 air crews been up to? Also, what ship is that a picture of that HuggyU2 posted? Sorry for the cluelessness.
 
Random8145 said:
I've read that the Japanese ships had to rely on flags and firing flares to be able to target ships whereas American ships had mechanical computers that allowed them to hit back with much better accuracy. So even if the Edsall lacked such, the Japanese probably weren't too much more advanced.
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The IJN was among the best gunnery navies in the world in 1942, especially at night. One tool they used was colored dye in their shells to mark distances.
 
To be clear, I mean no disrespect toward the incident on the Bonhomme Richard.

As someone who has zero knowledge of how naval ships operate, I was somewhat fascinated... tragically... that we lost a warship in port.

To those who fought to save the ship, I toast to you.

My comment was aimed at rhe "robustness" of the old ships of WWII.
 
HuggyU2 said:
To be clear, I mean no disrespect toward the incident on the Bonhomme Richard.

As someone who has zero knowledge of how naval ships operate, I was somewhat fascinated... tragically... that we lost a warship in port.

To those who fought to save the ship, I toast to you.

My comment was aimed at rhe "robustness" of the old ships of WWII.
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Well, the Bonnie Dick did survive a four-day fire and didn’t sink (unlike her namesake)….so we have that going for us.
 
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HuggyU2 said:
To be clear, I mean no disrespect toward the incident on the Bonhomme Richard.

As someone who has zero knowledge of how naval ships operate, I was somewhat fascinated... tragically... that we lost a warship in port.

To those who fought to save the ship, I toast to you.

My comment was aimed at rhe "robustness" of the old ships of WWII.
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That boat never sank.


Also- I was part of a SinkEx with RIMPAC last year. Even purpose built munitions have a hard time time sinking boats.


There's a cool documentary about turning the Oriskany into a diving park. Really smart engineers had a really hard time sinking that boat.

Our ships don't sink. Another example: USS Cole.
 
Random8145 said:
What have the F-15 air crews been up to? Also, what ship is that a picture of that HuggyU2 posted? Sorry for the cluelessness.
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Killing lots of drones, along with their colleagues.

Griz882 said:
The IJN was among the best gunnery navies in the world in 1942, especially at night. One tool they used was colored dye in their shells to mark distances.
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Didn't different ships use different colors? Can't remember off the top of my head. I recall one US sailor recalling the water spouts from Japanese shell impacts during a battle, I think it was Taffy 3, saying it looked like a Technicolor movie with all the different colors.
 
Flash said:
Didn't different ships use different colors? Can't remember off the top of my head. I recall one US sailor recalling the water spouts from Japanese shell impacts during a battle, I think it was Taffy 3, saying it looked like a Technicolor movie with all the different colors.
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Correct! Different ships used different colors. I believe the dye was reserved for heavy cruisers and battleships. The USN did the same in WWII but only at the BB level. Among the Iowa class the colors were;
USS Iowa - Orange
USS New Jersey - Blue
USS Missouri - Red
USS Wisconsin - Green

You can read more here…http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.php
 
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