T-45C’s are grounded again

[ea6bflyr]

TWZ reports that the T-45C Goshawks are grounded yet again; this time for engine issues. I’m certain this will have an impact to those trying to earn their wings.

 

[ChuckMK23]

“Out of an abundance of caution...."

 

[sevenhelmet]

 

[PhrogPhlyer]

"Now that's just embarrassing to all Goshawks everywhere!!!"

 

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

"Now that's just embarrassing to all Goshawks everywhere!!!"
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Little guy really looks like he’s evaluating the poor choices he made last night

 

[PhrogPhlyer]

really looks like he’s evaluating the poor choices he made last night

Vaguely remembering similar thoughts in Cubi Point...

 

[FLGUY]

I would love to be a fly on the wall at OPNAV/N98/whoeverthefuck is in charge of new platforms right now as the topic of “why do we still not have a T-45 replacement?” comes up for seemingly the billionth time this year.

 

[HuggyU2]

"why do we still not have a T-45 replacement?” comes up for seemingly the billionth time this year.

Don't feel bad.
The AF's T-7 isn't slated to get to some of the pilot training bases until 2034, I'm told. Admittedly, that is hearsay.
But had the T-50 been chosen, we could have them on the ramp already.

 

[PhrogPhlyer]

“why do we still not have a T-45 replacement?”

Or an MV-22 replacement, sheesh!
I wish I had gotten on the receiving end of that gravy train. (yes, that is sarcasm)

1983 $10.3 billion for 167 A/C.
1992 1st fatal Class A during pre-production development.
2000 $3 billion over budget and eight years behind schedule, and 26 fatalities.
2000-2013 Addl. 8 struck A/C and 10 fatalities.
2013 $6.4 billion for 200 A/C.
Addl. 8 struck A/C and 22 fatalities.

If I'm slightly off with the stats, you still get the picture.

 

[Brett327]

Or an MV-22 replacement, sheesh!
I wish I had gotten on the receiving end of that gravy train. (yes, that is sarcasm)

1983 $10.3 billion for 167 A/C.
1992 1st fatal Class A during pre-production development.
2000 $3 billion over budget and eight years behind schedule, and 26 fatalities.
2000-2013 Addl. 8 struck A/C and 10 fatalities.
2013 $6.4 billion for 200 A/C.
Addl. 8 struck A/C and 22 fatalities.

If I'm slightly off with the stats, you still get the picture.

What is the mishap rate, and how does that compare to other RW and FW platforms? Without that, a recitation of mishaps going back 30 years provides zero useful information. You, of all people, should understand this.

 

[PhrogPhlyer]

@Brett327 you are correct. So I'll do some more data mining and report back.
This will be difficult without actual NavSafCen access, as I'll have to depend on various publicly reported articles.
I do know that in 2022, the Marine Corps Class A rate for the MV-22 was 3.61, compared with the Class A rate for the -60 of 0.87 in the same year.
Then again, I could just defer to this "excellent" (yes sarcasm again) Guidebook published by the Marines. So pretty, lots of colors, and "setting the record straight" with selective filtered data. Makes me wonder how much was spent to create that publication. And does anyone have a link to a current MV-22 guidebook? This one is 12 yrs old.

 

[Brett327]

@Brett327 you are correct. So I'll do some more data mining and report back.
This will be difficult without actual NavSafCen access, as I'll have to depend on various publicly reported articles.
I do know that in 2022, the Marine Corps Class A rate for the MV-22 was 3.61, compared with the Class A rate for the -60 of 0.87 in the same year.
Then again, I could just defer to this "excellent" (yes sarcasm again) Guidebook published by the Marines. So pretty, lots of colors, and "setting the record straight" with selective filtered data. Makes me wonder how much was spent to create that publication. And does anyone have a link to a current MV-22 guidebook? This one is 12 yrs old.

I’ll save you the trouble. We’ve already done that drill for this aircraft on this site. You won’t find that smoking gun you’re looking for.

 

[Swanee]

This just in- the same problem the T-45 has had for almost 20 years happened again.

It's not news if it isn't new.

 

[PhrogPhlyer]

You won’t find that smoking gun you’re looking for.

Thank you for letting me know what I'm "looking for."
I'm obviously not capable of forming my own thoughts and considerations.
I defer to your "truths" and save myself any further research and possible learning opportunities.

 

[Brett327]

Thank you for letting me know what I'm "looking for."
I'm obviously not capable of forming my own thoughts and considerations.
I defer to your "truths" and save myself any further research and possible learning opportunities.

I know exactly what you’re looking for because I told you what the standard method of statistical comparison is. It isn’t complicated, and like I said, we’ve been down this exact same path here. In any case, I acknowledge your deference.