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The end of NATO?

Faded Float Coat said:
"...and to see this administration claiming that it cares about competence and merit, and then be responsible for an epic fuck up like this, demonstrates that these are not serious people." - Mayor Pete

He's not wrong.....
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Funny to hear about mayor Pete talk about competence when he let the ports get backed up while on paternity leave. Worst transportation secretary I can remember. He should sit this one out
 
JTS11 said:
Yes, that's the good trolling stuff @Yardstick . Care to comment on the Signal chat?
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But Lloyd Austin left office for cancer treatment
 
I've read the Atlantic article & Signal messages twice, top to bottom. Most of those on social media ringing alarm bells and repeating talking points have not.

Should Goldberg have been added to the chat? No.

Did Goldberg gain access to "secret" information? Kind of. He found out we'd strike the Houthis two hours early.

What Goldberg & the Atlantic are calling TOP SECRET "war plans" is a massive embellishment—any butterbar fresh out of ROTC could tell you that. These aren't war plans. These aren't even school board notes.

They're "Ok, we're ready to do that thing everyone knew we were going to do? Yep? Neat. Also Europe sucks."

Watergate this is not. It's a final, informal check-in after things are already planned/assigned.
 
Yardstick said:
I've read the Atlantic article & Signal messages twice, top to bottom. Most of those on social media ringing alarm bells and repeating talking points have not.

Should Goldberg have been added to the chat? No.

Did Goldberg gain access to "secret" information? Kind of. He found out we'd strike the Houthis two hours early.

What Goldberg & the Atlantic are calling TOP SECRET "war plans" is a massive embellishment—any butterbar fresh out of ROTC could tell you that. These aren't war plans. These aren't even school board notes.

They're "Ok, we're ready to do that thing everyone knew we were going to do? Yep? Neat. Also Europe sucks."

Watergate this is not. It's a final, informal check-in after things are already planned/assigned.
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The copium is strong in you. Most butterbars would know they can't do this, and would be court-martialed.

You're kind of being a dick by highlighting Buttigieg's paternity leave. Just saying, but I don't think you care.
 
“Well, somebody f**ked up," Sen. Tim Sheehy (R-Mont.), a former Navy SEAL, told reporters Monday.
 
JTS11 said:
The copium is strong in you. Most butterbars would know they can't do this, and would be court-martialed.

You're kind of being a dick by highlighting Buttigieg's paternity leave. Just saying, but I don't think you care.
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That's some funny shit there @JTS11
 
JTS11 said:
Most butterbars would know they can't do this, and would be court-martialed.
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Meh, this seems marginally worse than accidentally bringing a PED into a SCIF or having some classified notes in an unmarked wheelbook. We almost never court martial people over that.

Also, the media shitstorm from the fact that it's SECDEF is significantly higher than a random butter bar that no one cares about. Without Hegseth's name, "oh my god, I found out in a Signal chat that the Navy is going to strike the Houthis today just like the U.S. said they would! More at 11!" is the most benign story in the world. And without a media shitstorm, our butter bar gets a slap on the wrist, does some extra training and pushups, and moves on with life.

It's a security breach and he shouldn't have done it. But let's realize what the proportionality is here.
 
There absolutely has to be an investigation on this. I have never used Signal and don’t know how it works, but drawing on my time dealing with senior Pentagon folk I know that “the boss” never sets up his own comms - some staff member does that and hands the “microphone” over. There is no doubt this is highly unprofessional and could be potentially hazardous to future ops, so before the next thing goes down the SecDef needs to wipe the egg off his face, find out what went wrong (starting with the very use of an app) and fix it.
 
Everything so far sounds as you describe. I highly doubt this is the first time that high-level leaders got sloppy with what they perceive to be secure communications among trusted colleagues. They just happened to get caught this time. Remember the whole snafu with Hillary Clinton's emails? This is kind of reminiscent of that. High level officials should be more careful out of self-awareness that the media is always trying to snoop on them (unlike the nameless butter bar), but hubris is hubris.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt that the government is going to do a thorough investigation on every cabinet member and person with high level clearances devices to ensure they aren't doing the same thing. So then it'll turn into digging into who added the media rep and why were they added and crucifying that person.
 
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