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The end of NATO?
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Signal use in the fleet is super common. I’m surprised they aren’t all issued SIPR cell phones for exactly this type of stuff. I get the convenience factor, but outside of regular personal correspondence, I’m not sure what communication the DNI, SECDEF, CIA Director, POTUS COS, Secretary of State, and others wouldn’t have about work that isn’t classified on some level.
They absolutely are.
Interesting discussion from “The Goodfellows” of the Hoover Institute at Stanford. Historian Niall Ferguson, LtGen H.R. McMaster and in place of economist John Cochran, this week it is political scientist Amy Zegart.
Great credit to McMaster for his “Get Smart!” reference to the “Cone of Silence”
Great credit to McMaster for his “Get Smart!” reference to the “Cone of Silence”
O-5s at the Wing had SIPR tablets, so the big wigs should have something better
Special Envoy Witkoff (not sure if this is the correct way to address him) was in Russia when this all went down. Interestingly, he specifically said that Signal is on his personal phone:
Link to WSJ article.WSJ article said:
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I’m no analyst but I feel like the mere datapoint of interactions between people at that level, even without the content, would be valuable I&W to adversaries if it helps develop a POL of follow on actions
PNA forum. @number9 does not have access.
Which is why it’s more problematic when national security professionals ignore the right way to do things.
Im aware of a very senior DC NatSec person who had to drive an hour from an immediate family member wedding to access a SCIF to be properly informed of an emerging real world issue.
The flip side is…dumb it down or talk around shit. There was no need to put such an explicit level of operational planning detail in there. Not a level of SA anybody at that level should have really needed.
Well, this makes me more fucking comfortable...good job Pam and Laura!
Jeff and Tina: Hey, uh, what in the fuck?
All we asked for was 80% compliance.
Six years ago, the Department of Defense decided that it no longer needed our helpful hints on cyber awareness and operational security offered in a quiz game format. But now, as we assess the Secretary of Defense’s maddening group chat of embarrassing national security leaks and look back on the years we spent toiling without complaint while dealing annually with the same blisteringly elemental aspects of cyber security — social networking, home computer security, insider threats, phishing, and removable media — we’re asking ourselves, “what in the fuck?”
...Today, it’s evident that dozens of members of the National Security Council’s Principals Committee, including Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Ratcliffe would be smart enough to not invite Jeffery Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic magazine, into a group text established to discuss the details of a highly sensitive military operation on an unofficial communications network much less share classified “information about targets, weapons the U.S. would be deploying, and attack sequencing” within it.
And yet, here the fuck we are, "currently clean on OPSEC,” as Defense Secretary Whiskey-Leaks put it. Sure, EXCEPT FOR THE FUCKING JOURNALIST YOU INVITED IN. He didn’t even have to phish you people. Come the fuck on!
We told you this shit was real, motherfuckers. We told you cybersecurity was easily overlooked. We gave you relatable scenarios where you could develop the most basic level of security professionalism in a safe environment. We even let you retake that shit every year to ensure you didn’t forget things that the average 14-year-old on Snapchat takes for granted. But it just wasn’t good enough, was it? No, you were too good to worry about a guy stealing your BlackBerry during your lunch break.
“Tina is a simpleton,” you giggled.
“Jeff’s blue sweater vest is for beta cucks,” you said.
Well, who the fuck is laughing now, bitches? Besides every other nation on earth? Hell, Nigeria is shelving their Prince scam emails on the assumption Secretary Bessent will invite them to share America’s ATM PIN (it’s “8008” BTW, and if you turn it upside down it looks like “BooB”. LOL, right, assholes?). We’re still trying to convince Secretary of Energy Chris Wright that “P@$$word” is an insufficient level of security for the nuclear arsenal. We can’t make this shit up. Well, we can, but you all just think it’s a big fucking joke anyway, don’t you?
To be fair, one of us looks vaguely Asian, and the other is kind of swarthy, and we know how much you hate us “DEI hires.” But if this represents “merit-based” cybersecurity best practices, we think somebody is due for remedial training.
The standard is 80%, assholes. And no skipping ahead to the test.
Nearly 17 pages and still waiting for a serious defense.
But if the abject stupidity and recklessness is conceded, I suppose we can move back to matters both north and atlantic: anyone find any positives from the VP's visit to Greenland (or the little of it he saw) today?
No. It was embarrassing. Originally billed as some kind of cultural visit to the capital by Usha Vance, it transitioned to a visit to a US base with her husband...the rhetoric just continues to alienate us from allied populations.