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The Saga of N30CV

Gatordev

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I don't know if anyone else has been following the N30CV saga that occurred recently in and around KTOR, but it's an amusing and enraging story. I'm not a normal follower of VAS Aviation, but this popped into my feed and generally the channel can provide some interesting and educational video clips of various aeronautical events. This saga is certainly educational...specifically in how to be a douche to pretty much everyone.

The first video is a bit long, but it sets the tone of this guy, trying to get his Citation V into Torrance. The comments are gold, as he gets raked over the coals about how inept he must be if he can't get his Citation on the ground while staying within 3 miles of the airport.


But then it gets better on the second video where he refuses to accept the Brasher warning and just drives off.


And then finally, he's miffed that ATC won't let him depart a couple of days later until he is at least read the Brasher warning.


The second and third videos are pretty short, mercifully. This guy must just be a terrible person to fly with...and probably be around.
 
Sometimes I wonder if people like him have any awareness whatsoever of how much their existence just makes the world a worse place. Like I’ve had my fair share of bad days, but never once thought to treat a controller in such a manner, over the radio or not.

Good on the controller for doing her best to accommodate. I’d have probably just vectored him into VMC, hit him with the ol’ “Radar service terminated, remain outside the Bravo,” and called it a day.
 
There's so much to unpack just from his interaction. I'm guessing he has the sun in his face all the time, even if he's not flying. Also his experience of 40...I mean 45...somethings.

And then there's the glaring driver that could trigger a .709 ride, and that's the circle to land maneuver. I'm assuming (but welcome the correction) that a Citation V is a CAT B aircraft, which puts the circling distance at 1.5 miles. If he's demanding more than 2 miles, that might be an item that needs retraining. But even if it is a CAT C aircraft, he has to keep it inside of 3 miles.
 
Gatordev said:
There's so much to unpack just from his interaction. I'm guessing he has the sun in his face all the time, even if he's not flying. Also his experience of 40...I mean 45...somethings.

And then there's the glaring driver that could trigger a .709 ride, and that's the circle to land maneuver. I'm assuming (but welcome the correction) that a Citation V is a CAT B aircraft, which puts the circling distance at 1.5 miles. If he's demanding more than 2 miles, that might be an item that needs retraining. But even if it is a CAT C aircraft, he has to keep it inside of 3 miles.
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You're correct, it is Cat B, and capable of circling approaches wherever those are published, including the RNAV 11 to KTOA.

What I'm scratching my head about is the pilot's claim at the end of the 3rd video that he "can't circle in a Citation". I'm not sure where that idea came from- insurance or operating certificate limitation maybe? Or, did this guy just make it up because circling scares him?

I suspect the latter.

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What could be the actual consequences of this stupidity?
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Seems like a great candidate for a 709 ride, focused on circling approaches, VFR pattern management, and professional communications. I'm not a DPE, but I'd personally take the guy to a busy class B airport and make him do a couple of approaches, then say "imagine someone was in an argument with ATC and you couldn't get a word in edgewise. See the problem?" Guy needs a serious reality check on time-and-place for where to argue his point, right or wrong.
 
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sevenhelmet said:
operating certificate limitation maybe?
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This is purely conjecture on my part, but I get the impression he's operating Part 91 and not on a certificate. Important people just buy their own jets and fly themselves, and what you clearly don't understand is that he's VERY important.

But good point on the limitation. I have no idea why, but for some reason I can't accept LAHSO clearances at work. But doesn't a helo full-stop looks a lot like a LAHSO, you say? Agreed.

(I'm guessing it's a Part 135 carry-over from the fixed-wing side, like so many other rules we have to follow that don't really matter to a helo).
 
Gatordev said:
This is purely conjecture on my part, but I get the impression he's operating Part 91 and not on a certificate. Important people just buy their own jets and fly themselves, and what you clearly don't understand is that he's VERY important.

But good point on the limitation. I have no idea why, but for some reason I can't accept LASO clearances at work. But doesn't a helo full-stop looks a lot like a LASO, you say? Agreed.

(I'm guessing it's a Part 135 carry-over from the fixed-wing side, like so many other rules we have to follow that don't really matter to a helo).
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The registration number ties to an LLC, but I don't know what type of certificate they operate under (probably Part 91, since this clown is a self-important eye doctor), or whether insurance places any additional limits on operations. That being said, my point was that the guy is probably full of shit and there is nothing preventing him from circling- he just doesn't want to.

Every type ride includes a circling approach. Restrictions on doing that procedure- especially in CAVU conditions- seem pretty farfetched to me.
 
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With this announcement, hopefully the days are numbered where we actually have to speak to a controller and avoid this whole mess

 
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