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Presiding over Reenlisment

HAL Pilot

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I didn't say you, or anyone else was unprofessional. I tried to imply that it is MORE professional to memorize the oath. And let's face it, it's NOT that difficult to memorize. As for you "taking offense" OK, we'll just agree to disagree.
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OK I'll accept that you were not calling me unprofessional. But I do not believe reading the oath off a card is any less professional than memorizing it. It's a matter of preference.

I'll give you an analogy here. Emergency procedures. If you ever look at an original DC-10 flight manual, you will find a large number of bold face EPs that the FAA thought every pilot should memorize. Through the years the number of bold faced EPs got less and less until when I did my last check ride at Hawaiian there was only one left (O2 masks on for rapid decompression). There are many pilots that think it is more professional to memorize all the original EPs yet the FAA has done many studies that show those who run EPs from memory are more likely to do them incorrectly. So the FAA has reduced bold face EPs to the bare minimum. So what is more professional? EPs from memory or EPs from a checklist? Neither - an FAA examiner or a Hawaiian check airman would accept either. Completing the EP correctly is the professional thing.

Same principal. If you read the reenlistment oath you are more likely to get it correct than if you try it from memory. In my mind, getting it correct is more professional. If it takes reading it from a card to ensure it is completed correctly, then reading from a card is more professional.
 

snake020

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OK I'll accept that you were not calling me unprofessional. But I do not believe reading the oath off a card is any less professional than memorizing it. It's a matter of preference.

I'll give you an analogy here. Emergency procedures. If you ever look at an original DC-10 flight manual, you will find a large number of bold face EPs that the FAA thought every pilot should memorize. Through the years the number of bold faced EPs got less and less until when I did my last check ride at Hawaiian there was only one left (O2 masks on for rapid decompression). There are many pilots that think it is more professional to memorize all the original EPs yet the FAA has done many studies that show those who run EPs from memory are more likely to do them incorrectly. So the FAA has reduced bold face EPs to the bare minimum. So what is more professional? EPs from memory or EPs from a checklist? Neither - an FAA examiner or a Hawaiian check airman would accept either. Completing the EP correctly is the professional thing.

Same principal. If you read the reenlistment oath you are more likely to get it correct than if you try it from memory. In my mind, getting it correct is more professional. If it takes reading it from a card to ensure it is completed correctly, then reading from a card is more professional.

I am not going to say reading from the card is unprofessional. However every senior NCO that I have spoken to on the subject has said the officers that take the time to do things such as having the oath memorized are the ones that stand out to them as the solid officers. They notice these small things, and it impacts perception big time. I'm not qualified aircrew, but it seems apples and oranges compared to memorizing EPs.
 

robav8r

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OK I'll accept that you were not calling me unprofessional. But I do not believe reading the oath off a card is any less professional than memorizing it. It's a matter of preference.

HAL - truce, OK? My larger point was one of overall "professionalism." Yes, I will submit to you that "getting it right" while reading the oath from a card is preferable to "getting it wrong" while trying to recite the oath from memory. However, I have always been impressed with an officer who not only had the oath memorized, but did his homework with reguard to the various guest in attendance and knew the career history and personal traits of the sailor being reenlisted. To me, it's not about "reading it from a cheat sheet," it's about being professional, doing your homework, and making everyone in the room say to themselves: "Damn, that is one polished & professional officer!" I don't think that the "Old Guard" can stress that concept enough to the young officers who are replacing us in the wardrooms around the Navy. FOG - out.
 

feddoc

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I'm with HAL on this one....

BTW, it must be quite a feather in your cap to have a Master Chief ask you to do this. Congrats.
 

Afterburner76

Life is Gouda
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Thanks Feddoc. Yeah, I'm quite honored. Thanks also to everyone else for the great advice. I've memorized the oath, but do think it's a good idea to keep a sheet of paper handy with the oath printed (just in case!)

I'm really excited to be a part of this, and will let you all know how it goes!
 

Brett327

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FWIW, I'm going on record as saying, regardless of what past policies have been, an officer who can not spontaneously recite the oath of reenlistment is a sub-par officer. It's a professional responsibility to learn just like your EPs - just do it.

Brett
 

USMC Helo Bubba

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FWIW, I'm going on record as saying, regardless of what past policies have been, an officer who can not spontaneously recite the oath of reenlistment is a sub-par officer. It's a professional responsibility to learn just like your EPs - just do it.

Brett

Concur
 

HAL Pilot

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FWIW, I'm going on record as saying, regardless of what past policies have been, an officer who can not spontaneously recite the oath of reenlistment is a sub-par officer. It's a professional responsibility to learn just like your EPs - just do it.

Brett
FWIW - Horseshit.
 
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