Here's the link that A4's quote was referring to. Interesting.
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=weapons
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=weapons
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I did your research for you ... no charge. At least, don't send me any fee via PayPal .... send cash. 
PAYPAL FIREARMS, WEAPONS, AND KNIVES POLICY
PAYPAL FIREARMS, WEAPONS, AND KNIVES POLICY
Yep both good. I got a very good deal on a M77 UL in .257 Bob last year on Gunsamerica. Other good sites include
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/24hourauctions/ They're just getting started but on the main site at http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/14/page/1 they also have a free classifieds that's very good. I just sold an old Unertl scope there in an hour and got just about enough for that Leupold Mk 4 that's the answer to my metallic silhouette shooting "issues"
The other one is http://www.gunbroker.com/
I've canceled both my PayPal and EBay accounts over this. They don't want my business nor do they care that they lost me from their e-mails.
For the studs at NPA I have a good friend there with an FFL who is very happy to help with your weapons proliferation needs. He's as close as the NASC Directors office so PM me if you need contact info and I'll hook you up.
YOU SOLD A UNERTL !!??!!??
Those things are getting rare and pricey -- good old ones. I've got one, a 12X, but I want to find an 8X (preferably attached to a USMC Springfield 'O3 -- bring serious $$$ -- I passed on one years ago as I wasn't certain of it's "provenance") ..... I'm still trying to "date" my 12X -- I see where the Unertl company is now selling "real" USMC-marked 10x for $2500 ....
You will like the Leupold Mk4.
YOU SOLD A UNERTL !!??!!??
Yep, Hadn't had it on a rifle in 18 years. It was a 10X de-horned Ultra Varmint in decent shape. The old ones range from $400 or so for a dog to $700 for a nice one. This guy's pretty much the guru on them on the web.
http://www.alexweb.net/unertl/
Getting serious enough about metallic silhouette that I may end up building a 7mm BR next year for it.
WheelsUpHeelsUp
Banned
How about a rifle sling so the bastards can hang themselves with it? Id love to see some serious competition pop up.:icon_rage
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Dear Valued AuctionArms customer:
You may have heard the recent news or received a message from EBay that they have taken yet another anti-Second Amendment position (their first was in 1999 when they abandoned their firearms sellers) . They are now, once again, abandoning their good and faithful customers who sell firearms parts, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear. Here is that announcement:
************Message from Matt Halprin – New Listing Restrictions on Gun Parts*********
July 30, 2007 | 10:00AM PST/PT
Hello everyone…In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines, firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy for more details on our current policy.
As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed on eBay.
After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team – along with our executive leaders at eBay Inc. – have made the decision to further restrict more of these items than federal and state regulations require.
This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our existing policies in other markets around the globe.
Sincerely,
Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety
**********************************************************************
We strongly disagree with eBay’s stance on the 2nd Amendment in general and specifically in their lackadaisical abandonment of their long and faithful customers. We think it is unconscionable. But hey, it’s their right, and we love them for helping us continue to build our business!
While eBay may have disdain for the 2nd Amendment rights of it’s customers, we here at Auctionarms believe you should be able to sell any legal item you may care to, especially firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition components and reloading gear…how else are you going to defend yourself against mad men and the evildoers who stalk innocents in those politically correct “gun free” zones?!
We believe you should have the right to sell these items in a free and open market. We believe you should have the right to be free from fear of abandonment by a online sales venue that you've invested your time and money in to create profit for them and a reputation and goodwill for yourself.
We have proudly built our business and reputation on firearms. We have for almost 10 years now. We will continue to do so. We will not abandon our customers at the whim of some misguided, liberal minded, political correctness. That is our pledge.
We invite all abandoned eBay seller to move your firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear immediately to AuctionArms. Show eBay you can abandon them as quick as they abandon you and move to the BEST place on the internet for firearms and firearms related auctions!
We will make this solemn pledge to you. "WE WILL NEVER ABANDON OUR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SELLING LEGAL ITEMS, NEVER”.
We pride ourselves on customer service. We freely publish phone numbers through our “Contact Us” link that appears on every page. (find a customer service phone number on eBay!). We have real folks in the good old USA to talk to when you call those numbers. We care about our customers and about the rights of our customers to fully enjoy their rights under the Second Amendment.
Top 10 Reasons to move to AuctionArms:
How can we offer all this free stuff? Well, we are so confident that once you use AuctionArms to connect to our international customer base of like minded firearms enthusiasts and see how well we work for you, you will like what you see and stay with us. You'll generate future sales and commissions and we'll all win. How can you loose…frankly, you can't!
If you've received this message and are not an eBay seller, but have purchased these sorts of items from eBay sellers, do them and yourself a favor. Forward this message on to them. Help insure you will continue to enjoy a broad selection of firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear through the convenience of the internet and at a Second Amendment friendly site!
Thanks for taking the time to read this message and thanks for being a customer at the BEST place on the internet for firearms auctions. We appreciate your business and look forward to many years of providing you with unparalleled service.
Spread the Gospel!
Manny DelaCruz
Chief Executive Officer
AuctionArms.com, Inc.
Dear Valued AuctionArms customer:
You may have heard the recent news or received a message from EBay that they have taken yet another anti-Second Amendment position (their first was in 1999 when they abandoned their firearms sellers) . They are now, once again, abandoning their good and faithful customers who sell firearms parts, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear. Here is that announcement:
************Message from Matt Halprin – New Listing Restrictions on Gun Parts*********
July 30, 2007 | 10:00AM PST/PT
Matt Halprin
As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed on eBay.
After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team – along with our executive leaders at eBay Inc. – have made the decision to further restrict more of these items than federal and state regulations require.
This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our existing policies in other markets around the globe.
Sincerely,
Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety
**********************************************************************
We strongly disagree with eBay’s stance on the 2nd Amendment in general and specifically in their lackadaisical abandonment of their long and faithful customers. We think it is unconscionable. But hey, it’s their right, and we love them for helping us continue to build our business!
While eBay may have disdain for the 2nd Amendment rights of it’s customers, we here at Auctionarms believe you should be able to sell any legal item you may care to, especially firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition components and reloading gear…how else are you going to defend yourself against mad men and the evildoers who stalk innocents in those politically correct “gun free” zones?!
We believe you should have the right to sell these items in a free and open market. We believe you should have the right to be free from fear of abandonment by a online sales venue that you've invested your time and money in to create profit for them and a reputation and goodwill for yourself.
We have proudly built our business and reputation on firearms. We have for almost 10 years now. We will continue to do so. We will not abandon our customers at the whim of some misguided, liberal minded, political correctness. That is our pledge.
We invite all abandoned eBay seller to move your firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear immediately to AuctionArms. Show eBay you can abandon them as quick as they abandon you and move to the BEST place on the internet for firearms and firearms related auctions!
We will make this solemn pledge to you. "WE WILL NEVER ABANDON OUR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SELLING LEGAL ITEMS, NEVER”.
We pride ourselves on customer service. We freely publish phone numbers through our “Contact Us” link that appears on every page. (find a customer service phone number on eBay!). We have real folks in the good old USA to talk to when you call those numbers. We care about our customers and about the rights of our customers to fully enjoy their rights under the Second Amendment.
Top 10 Reasons to move to AuctionArms:
- We won't abandon you, ever.
- No Listing Fees: There are never any fees to list an auction at AuctionArms and our selling commissions are much lower.
- Free sign-up: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we will eat the sign-up fee for new abandoned sellers moving from Ebay (normally $4)
- Free Auctions: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we won't charge you for any Final Value Fees (sales commissions for the first month if you disclose your eBay seller’s nickname) in order to ease the transition and reward you investing in our learning curve.
- Free Special Features: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we will give you free Special Features for your first month.
- Free over 200 Items listings:We will arrange to waive fees for added auctions if you list more than 200 items at a time. Just let us know.
- Feedback Credit: We will credit your Ebay Feedback record towards becoming a Penny Auctioneer (a highly popular and successful feature on our site).
- Retained eBay recognition: We will provide recognition of your eBay earned feedback status and use of your eBay nickname (when available) in order for you to salvage some of your hard earned goodwill and reputation.
- Free Introductions: We will send an email letter of introduction to your past buyers at eBay, (you'll need to confidentially provide us with an emailing list) introducing them to your account at AuctionArms.
- Special Discounts: We'll provide you with special discounts based on fees payment history with eBay for firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear (we'll need you to confidentially disclose payment history with eBay to us to qualify for this benefit).
- Familiar categories: To assist eBay’s newly abandoned sellers in moving their auctions to AuctionArms, we have reproduced their categories for firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear so that they will be easily familiar to you.
- Support for pro-gun rights: For every abandoned seller that signs up with us in the month of August, We will be donate $ to the NRA Foundation.
How can we offer all this free stuff? Well, we are so confident that once you use AuctionArms to connect to our international customer base of like minded firearms enthusiasts and see how well we work for you, you will like what you see and stay with us. You'll generate future sales and commissions and we'll all win. How can you loose…frankly, you can't!
If you've received this message and are not an eBay seller, but have purchased these sorts of items from eBay sellers, do them and yourself a favor. Forward this message on to them. Help insure you will continue to enjoy a broad selection of firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear through the convenience of the internet and at a Second Amendment friendly site!
Thanks for taking the time to read this message and thanks for being a customer at the BEST place on the internet for firearms auctions. We appreciate your business and look forward to many years of providing you with unparalleled service.
Spread the Gospel!
Manny DelaCruz
Chief Executive Officer
AuctionArms.com, Inc.
Flathatter13
Banned
They have my business.
Ebay should be ashamed of hiding behind the VT event just as a scapegoat for them being a bunch of p*ssy's.
Ebay should be ashamed of hiding behind the VT event just as a scapegoat for them being a bunch of p*ssy's.
After reading EBay's announcement I get the feeling that this is a move to limit their potential liability.
After the big victories over the tobacco firms there was quite a bit of speculation about going after firearm manufacturers. I can see how EBay might feel that it would be a potential target in such an environment.
After the big victories over the tobacco firms there was quite a bit of speculation about going after firearm manufacturers. I can see how EBay might feel that it would be a potential target in such an environment.
Flathatter13
Banned
I thought that was already tried with a victims family trying to sue Ruger or maybe it was Berreta a few (maybe up to 10) years back and the ruling came out that the manufacturer is not the user of the gun and thereby cannot be held liable for simply making an object that another person used in a crime.
Flathatter13
Banned
I hear that, it is guaranted that some of the people in the country will not stop until it is not worth it for gunmakers to continue making firearms.
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Flathatter13
Banned
Hell with that reasoning people with knifes or lead pipes kill more people each year then guns, lets go after pipe makers now. :icon_wink
Sometimes when you see this in the news and paper you just have to shake you head and go "I am still sane right?"
Here's a joke I read:
FACTS TO PONDER:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now think about this:
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners i n the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million..)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188
Statistics courtesy of the FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people,
doctors do.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,
BUT
ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before his gets completely out of hand!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Out of concern for the public at large,
We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
FACTS TO PONDER:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now think about this:
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners i n the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million..)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188
Statistics courtesy of the FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people,
doctors do.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,
BUT
ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before his gets completely out of hand!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Out of concern for the public at large,
We have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!