Obama administration puts the kabosh on the sale of Korean War rifles

[Floppy_D]

You CMP shoppers here might have noticed that the CMP ran dry on M1 Carbines as of a week or two ago, without intention to restock. I hope to order a few Garands soon.

Still the .30 round isn't that powerful

Hmmm... ballistics. <--- click The M1 shines as a PDW, and 30 M1 is a vastly underestimated round... one of my favorites to load.

 

[m26]

Except that they don't drill with them now....

Because they were running out of serviceable M1's, is what I'd heard.

 

[HackerF15E]

the CMP ran dry on M1 Carbines as of a week or two ago, without intention to restock.

I'm hoping you're being tongue in cheek when you say this. It's not as if Orest Michaels has decided not to order any more Carbines from some mythical supplier who has more.

 

[Tex_Hill]

While they don't have the history of the WWII or Korean War issued rifles, Auto Ordnance continues to make new M1 carbines. Right now I have my eye on this model.

Here's a good article on the new carbines: Auto ord's GI gem: recreating the M1 Carbine

Here's another article on the use of the M1 carbine as a self-defense and tactical law enforcement weapon: The M1 Carbine For SELF-DEFENSE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT

 

[Floppy_D]

I'm hoping you're being tongue in cheek when you say this.

I was. They'd sell 'em 'til the cows come home if they had the supply to do so.

Here was a snip from the email:

M1 CARBINES SOLD OUT. The CMP is now sold out of M1 carbines except for the few we will still be selling on our auction program. At this time, we have no reason to expect to receive more.

 

[MasterBates]

Glad I got my M1 Carbine when they had them.

 

[scoolbubba]

I'm thinking it's high time to get a Garand...I've never done the CMP thing. Is it a cut and dry process, or are there a lot of ins and outs and whathaveyou's involved?

 

[phrogpilot73]

It's pretty cut and dry.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm thinking it's high time to get a Garand...I've never done the CMP thing. Is it a cut and dry process, or are there a lot of ins and outs and whathaveyou's involved?

It's easy to do now. They have a "shooting" requirement that is waved by you being in or having been in the service. You must be a member of a CMP affiliated club. The Garand Collectors Assocoation, which you can join online for cheap, covers that. The GCA will then fax over proof of membership to the CMP. It's very easy to complete the package. Just follow the online directions. If you have any questions shoot me a PM.

I've ordered 14-15 of them over the years and kept the best 7 to pass along to my kids.

Trust me there is nothing like having FedEx deliver a main battle rifle directly to your front door.

 

[phrogpilot73]

You must be a member of a CMP affiliated club. The Garand Collectors Assocoation, which you can join online for cheap, covers that.

Or you can save some money and not join.

In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans' organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees.

If you're still active or reserve, or a retiree you don't have to join any organization. I mailed them a copy of my Military ID & Passport. Done.

 

[The Chief]

I am finding myself on the wrong side of this issue I do not understand the ROK wanting to sell something to us citizens of the USA that the citizens gave them in the first place. As I understand the original transaction(s), the USG gave ROK small arms with which to defend themselves. I had always thought part of the agreement was that ROK would return the arms to the USG when no longer needed. Part and parcel of the agreement vs.a.vs the transfer was that the ROK could not, without authorization, pass these arms along to a third party. Somthing is not right, perhaps it is my misunderstanding of the issue.

I quickly agree that the Brady Bunch lack A) common sense and B) any intgegrity what-so-ever.

I would think the ROK would return these unneeded small arms to the USG and the USG would give them to CMP to be A) properly inspected and graded, and B) sold to USA citizens. I thought this was the law as written/intended.

 

[Tex_Hill]

I am finding myself on the wrong side of this issue I do not understand the ROK wanting to sell something to us citizens of the USA that the citizens gave them in the first place. As I understand the original transaction(s), the USG gave ROK small arms with which to defend themselves. I had always thought part of the agreement was that ROK would return the arms to the USG when no longer needed. Part and parcel of the agreement vs.a.vs the transfer was that the ROK could not, without authorization, pass these arms along to a third party. Somthing is not right, perhaps it is my misunderstanding of the issue.

I quickly agree that the Brady Bunch lack A) common sense and B) any intgegrity what-so-ever.

I would think the ROK would return these unneeded small arms to the USG and the USG would give them to CMP to be A) properly inspected and graded, and B) sold to USA citizens. I thought this was the law as written/intended.

There's only one problem with that scenario Chief. As I understand it, current law states that the U.S. Gov't would be required to destroy the weapons if they took possession of them.

 

[The Chief]

..... I understand it, current law states that the U.S. Gov't would be required to destroy the weapons if they took possession of them.

A. They are not weapons until used as a weapon. They are small arms. Yes, they could be used as a weapon, I think the vast majority would be used to punch holes in paper targets, ergo not a weapon.

B. Enlighten me on this new law you quote. I spent many years working the Foreign Military Sales, Foreign Military Assistance, Export Control of Dual Use Technology issues but I am not familiar with this law. Did I miss a turn? Are you saying that M1 Garand I bought from CMP several years ago that had been returned to the USG by the Greek Government is illegal?

 

[HooverPilot]

I want one & now I'm too late? I guess I am now stuck with the 'used' market?

 

[Rocketman]

I want one & now I'm too late? I guess I am now stuck with the 'used' market?

If you are talking Garands the CMP still is selling those of course. I think they are out of Carbines for now but the used market isn't so bad at all. There are lots of "former" CMP Carbines out there. Shouldn't be much trouble to pick one of those up.