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Controller, airline crew suspended over incident in Florida skies

My personal favorite.

"Ever been flying and you want to know your pilots background? You can tell by the landing. USAF pilots land harder to reduce speed quickly as they would do on an aircraft carrier, and the other branches give you that nice smooth landing that takes a little longer."

Hopefully, being that dumb, he hasn't figured out how to pass on his 'winning'.
 
The Phiz said:
..."Ever been flying and you want to know your pilots background?.....
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I had one little ol' Granny come up to me, beak-to-beak as I was opening the Jetway door to man up (full uniform + bags + '4-stripe aura') ... and ask me straight:

"Sonny -- are you on drugs"???

I sniffed a couple of times ... rubbed my nose vigorously ... said: "No Ma'am, not anytime recently ... " and moved along.
 
jmcquate said:
Except for NORAD assets, who in CONUS has alert jets?
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I seem to remember the Oregon Air National Guard having fighters intercept a commercial jet and escort it back to Portland a few years ago. I don't know if that's standard policy elsewhere.
 
Help me out, airline guys...

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Planes flying at that altitude must remain three miles apart horizontally and 1,000 feet vertically. The FAA declined to say how close the two planes came, saying that is part of its investigation.
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I thought once you call in sight, the separation was symbology doesn't merge. I understand the separation if they're IMC or not in sight, but once they called "Traffic in sight," I thought it was see and avoid. I say this just based off all the briefs the ATC guy at Pensacola would give us during IGS every year.

A4sForever said:
I had one little ol' Granny come up to me, beak-to-beak as I was opening the Jetway door to man up (full uniform + bags + '4-stripe aura') ... and ask me straight:

"Sonny -- are you on drugs"???

I sniffed a couple of times ... rubbed my nose vigorously ... said: "No Ma'am, not anytime recently ... " and moved along.
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I at least understand the complexity of landing a 737 or heavier even if I haven't done it, so I say this with no ill will... I could probably count on one hand (maybe two, but I'd have fingers left over) the number of smooth landings while flying on the airlines. Again, I'm not saying anything was unsafe or even unusual. But there was this one landing that a Southwest pilot did at Jax that was pretty damn impressive. Probably the smoothest I've ever felt on an airline. Even the fay running the intercom came on and said, "I've been 'flying' 737s for 15 years and that's the smoothest landing I've ever felt."
 
jmcquate said:
"Scramble military jets" ? Except for NORAD assets, who in CONUS has alert jets?
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Northcom will have requirements for Alert aircraft that they will request through the Joint Staff. I would guess that most of them would various A.F. squadrons who would be sourced from Air Combat Command.
 
On medical articles, do they get weird comments from surgeon wannabees explaining that the kneebone is connected to the neckbone?
 
Minimum separation... well it depends

@Gatordev- the book that the other half lives by is the FAA 7110 (air traffic control manual).

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/ATC.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/ATC/index.htm

I'm not and have never been an air traffic controller and I don't play one on TV, but I bet the investigation will reference the sections on radar and visual separation.

If you thought NATOPS and 3710 don't cure your insomnia then try the ATC manual :) Among other things, minimum radar separation depends mostly on type and proximity of radar facilities while visual separation depends on comms with both aircraft.
 
jmcquate said:
Yea but wasn't the reason for the whole thing was because the Cirrus was NORDO?
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Right--which means that maybe the controller and (737) pilot shouldn't have attempted it--one way to interpret the rules. Maybe they exercised overall good judgment or maybe not, but that is up to the FAA to investigate and decide.

Random related thought- I don't have the chapter & verse for lost comm or intercepts...
 
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