If our chain of command or national leadership were saying some of the things you'd like them to say, then you'd have a leg to stand on.
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12 Dead, 31 Wounded @ FT HOOD
- Thread starter RadicalDude
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If our chain of command or national leadership were saying some of the things you'd like them to say, then you'd have a leg to stand on.
Fine.
It's fucked up to try to blame Americans for this action, and the insinuation that calling this radical Islamic terrorism for what it is will cause problems is the height of stupidity.
If someone is sitting in a mosque reading AirWarriors and says "wow, all of these people think that this guy's only motive for killing people was his religion, so I'll become a terrorist too"....then...well...that guy was not all that "ambivalent" from the start.
It is much more dangerous to pretend that these terrorist acts that all seem to be carried out by Muslims are just random "criminal activity" than to call them for what they are.
Better?
God, I just love a good food fight - particularly one with religion, politics, the Flag and everything but sex involved. You know, I was almost pissed at Obama for apologizing to the Indians - but you know, of all the people he's apologized to over the last 10 months, the American Indians are the only ones who have really deserved a no-shit apology from an American president. Not that our Dept of Interior policies over the last century haven't reduced most of them to near [Palestinian-style] refugee status. For you boat school types, go read Panther in the Sky by James Alexander Thom (a Marine). It's an historical novel of the life of Tecumseh, the Shawnee Chief whose statue, I believe, is at Annapolis. He & his people were screwed royally by the Great White Father - along w/ about every other native american tribe in the U.S.
Acknowledging consequences is not the same as assigning blame. Bill Clinton's affair eroded the stigma against adultery....or banging interns...or what have you. But he is not to blame for Joe Schmoe cheating on his wife. And it's patently stupid to ignore consequences because you're afraid of assigning blame. You (and other angry heads) consistently misuse the term terrorism, so excuse me if I don't give a shit what you call it.
Very well. I "blame" Joe Lieberman for jumping the gun and irresponsible rhetoric. Happy?
I presume you will reciprocate by blaming America for John Murtha's actions.
That's the spirit!
I agree that we aren't really going to either make new terrorists or deter people from becoming terrorists by the way we handle this issue. I think that IS liberal psycho-babble. My main concern here is that the legal process is allowed to unfold without being tainted by reactionary statements (like some in this thread) by our officials. Whatever happens, this guy is going to get what he deserves and the truth will be told to the public - whatever that is.
We're never, as a society, going to accept or implement some of the draconian measures some of you are espousing, so why even bother talking about it. That's just the cost of living in a free society and at the end of the day, I'm OK with that.
Brett
Yeah he's just like them except for the part where he went around screaming "Allahu Ackbar" when he was doing the shooting.
The act of shooting someone doesn't make you a terrorist, but shooting 'infidels' because you think they're better off dead than your Muslim buddies 8000miles away does.
And let's not kid ourselves, the guy did it because of his religion, one way or another. Either directly, because Allah commanded it, or indirectly, because he didn't want to deploy and thought he was better off shooting 'us' than 'them'.
Completely agree. And the hole is only getting deeper.
I hate to take this "intellectual," but, at this stage of the game, I very much doubt this guy would have killed anyone if he wasn't having the mental and social issues he seems to have had. Hell, seems to me (at this stage of the game), none of the extremism he tended towards recently would have even come up if he weren't a depressed loon. If he is a terrorist, I'll bet he became one because he was not right in the head (not that it "matters"; although it may matter to courts, I dunno, but I will bet that is how it plays out).
We can say, "it was his religion," or "it was his mental state." (cue: Islam = mental disease jokes) Ultimately, it HAS to be a little of both / everything about this dude and his life.
Great . . . the gun control nancies are already whining about "cop-killer" guns which "only have one purpose."
Somehow, I think the guy could have caused just as much havoc with a .22.
Somehow, I think the guy could have caused just as much havoc with a .22.
Anybody want to claim this guy still isn't a terrorist after Mumble's post?
:::chirp:::chirp:::chirp::: yea I didn't think so.
:::chirp:::chirp:::chirp::: yea I didn't think so.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
No one was asserting that this guy wasn't a terrorist at all. Rather, some people (including myself) were saying we should wait for the investigation to flesh out before drawing conclusions.
The evidence presented in that article certainly seems to point toward Muslim extremist motives, but it is still largely circumstantial. We still don't know the nature of the communications between Hasan and Awlaki, when those communications occurred, or if they occurred at all. All we do know for sure is that the intelligence communities refused to brief Congress on the issue. Reason for suspicion, yes, but not a smoking gun.