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Admiral "reassigned"

BackOrdered

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No offense meant here...but I'm surprised that someone at that point in their career would still find that a significant enough achievement for the bio. I was my junior high valedictorian once too...

I see bios from USNA and ROTC grads all the time with class standings if it was significant.

Blue=1st Batt (secured)
Yellow=2nd Batt (secured)
White=CandiO

No tape=unsecured.

This is the kind of crap taking up space on my mental hard drive.

I just found my blue taped name tag and had no clue what it meant anymore. Thanks!
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
I don't know if the major told you, but I was commanding officer of my ROTC detachment in college.
Well, yea, if a 1st tour JO walks around bragging about his OCS/USNA/NROTC class standing, that's certainly cannon fodder. But it's entirely different when a distinguished senior Officer mentions that in his bio as the start of a career that consists of a multitude of awards for sustained superior performance.
 

707guy

"You can't make this shit up..."
Kinda thinking that by the time you get to be COS of a CSG you can have anything in your bio that you want...
 

Renegade One

Well-Known Member
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His biography says he graduated AOCS as a "snowflake". Can anyone shed some light on this?
AOCS used to award badges for Academics, Military Performance, and Physical Fitness. A single one of either type was a "blue" name tag worn immediately above your regular black name tag. If you earned 2 of the 3, you got a "red" badge, e.g.: ACAD / MIL. If you earned all three, the badge was white...hence a "snowflake".

Was completely independent of your "Battalion Color (Secured)" (R,W or B) or "Candidate Officer" (Yellow) taped nametag edges.

I do agree it's a bit weird to see in a Senior Officer's Bio...
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
pilot
Super Moderator
I'm really curious as to what's behind this one. I actually like seeing some senior officers getting "knife-hand justice," in a way, and not just for schadenfraude's sake. As someone said about our troubles in OIF/OEF,"A private is punished more severely for losing a rifle than a general is for losing a war." However, most of these Navy reliefs seem to have been for either blatant leadership failings, e.g. abusing subordinates, or for screwing the help and such. I think there are some senior leaders out there who systemically don't "get it" and have continued to wreak havoc on our operational and strategic goals.
 

BACONATOR

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pilot
Contributor
I'm really curious as to what's behind this one. I actually like seeing some senior officers getting "knife-hand justice," in a way, and not just for schadenfraude's sake. As someone said about our troubles in OIF/OEF,"A private is punished more severely for losing a rifle than a general is for losing a war." However, most of these Navy reliefs seem to have been for either blatant leadership failings, e.g. abusing subordinates, or for screwing the help and such. I think there are some senior leaders out there who systemically don't "get it" and have continued to wreak havoc on our operational and strategic goals.


Playing devil's advocate, but I recall someone mentioning how in WWII, senior leadership was fired WAY more often than today's nigh-untouchable flags, almost tenured if you will. Maybe this is a move in the right direction (not SPECIFICALLY this case. Just commenting on the trend) of firing leaders who aren't good leaders instead of holding senior leaders to a much lower standard and culpability than junior folks?
 

jmcquate

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The trick is not letting the non-hackers get the stars in the first place. Not firing them when they are lounging on the Flag Deck of a CV.
 

BigRed389

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Playing devil's advocate, but I recall someone mentioning how in WWII, senior leadership was fired WAY more often than today's nigh-untouchable flags, almost tenured if you will. Maybe this is a move in the right direction (not SPECIFICALLY this case. Just commenting on the trend) of firing leaders who aren't good leaders instead of holding senior leaders to a much lower standard and culpability than junior folks?

You talking about this article?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/11/general-failure/309148/?single_page=true
 

BACONATOR

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pilot
Contributor

Not sure if that's the exact article I read, but certainly the same sentiment! Good find, and thanks for sharing. I think this is an important topic to discuss. I particularly like the point made in the article of how the perception has changed to firings demonstrating that the system is working and only the best stay, whereas now it appears that the system has failed and it's a big hoopla, and people wants answers.
 
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