Say it isn't so. The navy taking into account some arbitrary requirement?
Kind of like we're talking about here:
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136549
Different, but the same none the less.
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Kind of like we're talking about here:
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136549
Different, but the same none the less.
JPME comes AFTER a master's? That seems kind of backwards in priorities. PME is definitely going to be more relevant than a masters in (insert silly field here). Just curious. JPME I, I'm assuming.
Seriously, the only real requirement to make O-4 is to have a pulse. There were only 2 people in the Prowler community who did not make it last time around - both had DUIs.
Brett
This depends entirely on your community. I know the 0-4 promotion rate in HSL has nose dived in the last few years, followed quickly by the DH screen. I imagine Prowlers have less of this problem since they are sundowning and people are scattering to FAO, IP, etc, other airframes and just getting out completely.
You can go here:
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/0009AF99-9945-4891-AF0A-25C867E2628A/0/FY07USNO4Linestats.pdf
and here:
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/CE42CE6D-095F-45BA-8589-49CB03B8BF25/0/FY08USNO4Linestats.pdf
for 0-4 line select statistics broken down by warfare and community for 07/08respectively.
Take the numbers with a grain of salt though. For example, in 07 there were a total of 110 HSL pilots eligable, above and in zone. 83 were selected, but the summary says a total of 83% selected. Obviously 83 of 110 isn't 83%, its 75%. For comparison, in 05/06 the promote rate was in the high 90s%.
So, at least in HSL/HSM, having a pulse doesn't get you a seat when the music stops, you have to jump for it. EPs in both Sea Tour and Shore Tour help a lot too.
For O-4 nothing special required, but for the competitive DH board I'd recommend Special quals (LSO, tactics instructor, OOD underway, TAO letter, Conning alongside qual, etc), JPME I, followed closely with advanced degree. Most of the time, the Navy will afford you the opportunity to get your Masters at one of the learning institutions. Unsaid is sustained superior performance.
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BlackBearHockey
go blue...
That's what I was wondering while reading this thread. My understanding is that a good number of SWOs use a ROTC billet to complete a masters. My other understanding is that if a NA/NFO used the same slot to get a masters, he or she would worsen career progression because of time out of the cockpit. Is it usually the case of getting a masters little-by-little while not deployed? Also, with masters becoming "optional", would the preference be for technically oriented degrees? Sorry if this should be in the "stupid question" thread.
ROTC is generally looked on as a way out of the Navy. That doesn't mean everyone goes that route, but that's the perception. Others get their masters when they go to the TRACOM or RAG as an IP. Then there's those that have a "desk" job (complete w/ khakis and loops) that do it on their own time. Talk about working too hard.
ROTC tends to be a surface option. As an Aviator, if you take a ROTC job, you've let the detailer know you're leaving (even if you didn't plan on it....). Shore tours tend to be the time to get your masters, on your own time of course. I know very few flyers who get orders to War College after their first sea tour (i.e. none) and my previous detailer told me point blank, "If you ask to go to the Naval Post Graduate School (unobserved fitrep) instead of the RAG or VTs, you've just tanked your career."
Of course there are limited exceptions to this but for the most part, if you want your masters prior to your DH board you need to get it on your own during the shore tour.
Working the desk (w/ khakis and loop included) for my last tour I can say getting my masters then was out of the question, especially with our WESTPAC deployment in the mix. JPME phase I is hard enough.
Red Anjin
Of course there are limited exceptions to this but for the most part, if you want your masters prior to your DH board you need to get it on your own during the shore tour.
Working the desk (w/ khakis and loop included) for my last tour I can say getting my masters then was out of the question, especially with our WESTPAC deployment in the mix. JPME phase I is hard enough.
Red Anjin
That's because very few first tour aviators meet the rank requirements of War College.
For O-4 nothing special required, but for the competitive DH board I'd recommend Special quals (LSO, tactics instructor, OOD underway, TAO letter, Conning alongside qual, etc), JPME I, followed closely with advanced degree. Most of the time, the Navy will afford you the opportunity to get your Masters at one of the learning institutions. Unsaid is sustained superior performance.
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With OOD, and other SWO-like quals, would an aviator ever rate a SWO pin after a few years in the fleet? (not that I would ever want to wear one)
MasterBates
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You USED to be able to get a SWO pin.. I know a few that have it.
I would have loved to earn and rate a SWO pin. What better way to shut up the lesser-abled SWOs that complain they can't do something or won't help because they think we can't comprehend how a bridge team works. Plus there's the standard "hey, I can do your job AND my job..." line, which is just plain dick-ish, but amusing (and sometimes effective).
MasterBates
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They always hated when I would work winds on the compass in the LSO shack with a grease pencil... And be right.