Aerial Vehicle Operator (AVO) a.k.a. Drone Operators Requirements

[robav8r]

To pile on here, one of my Commodores in the mid-2000's said: "There is nothing unmanned about unmanned platforms, aviation or otherwise." If you look at TRITON, the manpower requirements are jynormous. I know when unmanned, autonomous platforms were just a sparkle in the eye of the defense industry and DoD, drastic reductions in manpower was a yuge selling point. It really hasn't turned out that way.

 

[Pags]

To pile on here, one of my Commodores in the mid-2000's said: "There is nothing unmanned about unmanned platforms, aviation or otherwise." If you look at TRITON, the manpower requirements are jynormous. I know when unmanned, autonomous platforms were just a sparkle in the eye of the defense industry and DoD, drastic reductions in manpower was a yuge selling point. It really hasn't turned out that way.

"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots."

 

[Pags]

Great simpsons quotes aside, it's true that UASs will usually result in an increased maintenance requirement as you now have the ground station and associated data links to care and feed on top of the aircraft. People like to think the ground station is just a conex box or room somewhere but it's really a chunk of the airplane. Also you have more parts and complexity than a manned aircraft. Lots of radios and data links (and we know how good we tend to be with that stuff), maybe additional mission computers because the processing is plot between the air and the ground, and some weird ground equipment for maintenance that an manned system wouldn't have to name a few.

 

[Swanee]

Great simpsons quotes aside, it's true that UASs will usually result in an increased maintenance requirement as you now have the ground station and associated data links to care and feed on top of the aircraft. People like to think the ground station is just a conex box or room somewhere but it's really a chunk of the airplane. Also you have more parts and complexity than a manned aircraft. Lots of radios and data links (and we know how good we tend to be with that stuff), maybe additional mission computers because the processing is plot between the air and the ground, and some weird ground equipment for maintenance that an manned system wouldn't have to name a few.

As the Marine Corps wants to get into the MQ-9 world, I don't think anyone wearing an EGA has a true appreciation or understanding (I sure didn't until I got to where I am now) of just how HUGE this program is. The amount of tail and associated support units and equipment goes on for days and everyone in those units have to be able to talk to everyone else with 100% reliability across the globe.

A planned power, or network, outage for construction or maintenance (or even a damn fire drill) back home can have direct consequences on ATO lines flying combat ops in the various AORs.

 

[Griz882]

Great simpsons quotes aside, it's true that UASs will usually result in an increased maintenance requirement as you now have the ground station and associated data links to care and feed on top of the aircraft. People like to think the ground station is just a conex box or room somewhere but it's really a chunk of the airplane. Also you have more parts and complexity than a manned aircraft. Lots of radios and data links (and we know how good we tend to be with that stuff), maybe additional mission computers because the processing is plot between the air and the ground, and some weird ground equipment for maintenance that an manned system wouldn't have to name a few.

When I read your Simpson’s quote this came to mind...

 

[taxi1]

Not sure which thread to post this in

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Do you correct every motivational statement from your applicants? ?

No, my grammar isn't that good, I just was lucky on that one lol

 

[Tycho_Brohe]

Sorry I'm late, Triton pilot checking in. I have no idea what MQ-25 or flying warrants is gonna look like, but I can talk to MQ-4 at least.

I think it's a pretty new thing, at least on the Navy side. For the group, does Triton or Fire Scout have dedicated non-URL operators, or rely on the supporting squadron Aircrew? Some of the USMC or USAF folks may have some sense of what the gig is like.

Triton does not, it's only operated by squadron aircrew, with assistance from contractors in some aspects such as WBSC coordination and troubleshooting the human-machine interface in general.

When the Navy can safely operate these things off of the big decks, use is going to explode. JMO, YMMV, etc.

Concur, Triton is already flying as much as it can at this point.

I don't know how that is... care to share, or pass on required reading?

VUP-19 is structured pretty much how the VP squadrons are. Skipper, XO, CMC, a handful of department heads, a bunch of JO's at the pilot and TACCO positions, and a bunch of enlisted sailors for operating the sensors. MO is collocated with the aircraft, and said site also has an O-4/O-5 OIC attached. The big difference I see between VUP-19 and my sea tour is the presence of a reserve Squadron Augment Unit, or SAU, and a pretty sizable one at that.

If you're operating a platform that big up in the atmosphere with the rest of the planes, you pretty much need to know everything you'd know if you sitting in it, and have a similar level of maturity about operating it.

100% agree.

 

[Pags]

I think it's a pretty new thing, at least on the Navy side. For the group, does Triton or Fire Scout have dedicated non-URL operators, or rely on the supporting squadron Aircrew? Some of the USMC or USAF folks may have some sense of what the gig is like.

MQ-8 is currently maintained and operated by Fleet Sailors and Aircrew underway. Not sure how they're maintained ashore these days.

 

[eahmed4]

I just looked it over. What if I do not have two technical LORs as listed? Could that be waiverable?

 

[Hozer]

I know we're not supposed to speculate, but I bet the LCS crashed into the firescout.

MQ-8B Fire Scout Crashes Into Littoral Combat Ship USS Charleston On Deployment - USNI News

An MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned aerial vehicle crashed into the side of Littoral Combat Ship USS Charleston (LCS-18) after taking off from the ship today, the Navy announced. The rotary-wing UAV was operating from the ship around 9:40 a.m. when the collision happened in the Western Pacific...

news.usni.org

 

[Pags]

I know we're not supposed to speculate, but I bet the LCS crashed into the firescout.

MQ-8B Fire Scout Crashes Into Littoral Combat Ship USS Charleston On Deployment - USNI News

An MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned aerial vehicle crashed into the side of Littoral Combat Ship USS Charleston (LCS-18) after taking off from the ship today, the Navy announced. The rotary-wing UAV was operating from the ship around 9:40 a.m. when the collision happened in the Western Pacific...

news.usni.org

Well, with the LCS you never know.

I just hope this isn't my bud's det.

 

[tcham28]

Thought this would be relevant to this thread, the first AVO warrants graduated from OCS today.

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/41358...zOem9pfVqQGwF40eIgvQ0nwdBnZ7F31XX1ILWUJy1_omg

 

[FloridaDad]

It would be a real shock to the system for some of us pilot hopefuls if they ended up making UAV a potential path they could have you select into during the SNA pipeline. Hoping they keep it separate.

 

[BigIron]

interesting article wrt to USN's unmanned culture:

Winged Luddites: Aviators Are the Biggest Threat to Carrier Aviation - War on the Rocks

We must not be misled to our own detriment to assume that the untried machine can displace the proved and tried horse. - Gen. John K. Herr, opposing the

warontherocks.com