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Air France plane crashes in Toronto

A4sForever

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nittany03 said:
It's drilled into our heads in the training command not to fly through or even near thunderstorms. How badly do scheduled airlines bend or break this rule to keep Joe Blow from missing his connection?
You're not suppose to fly through CB's (thunderstorms) in the airlines .... near them, around them, maybe through a hole in them when there is no other option. You get really good with the radar, winds aloft, judging the height of CB's ahead of you, how fast they're building, and how much you have to deviate to clear the mess. The published "gouges" on thunderstorm deviation distances are generally too "big". You waste fuel when you go 40 miles off track when 5-10 would have gotten the job done. I'm not making this up ... I learned how to do "it" --- the right way --- during 22+ years of flying the Pacific being schooled on WX by the old "pros". Now, I have become one ..... :captain_1

If CB's threaten the take-off or landing corridors, ATC should suspend operations. Pilots violate this at their own peril (at the risk of their passengers and crew, as well). This (edit*shutting down the runway*) frequently does not happen overseas, so the responsibility rests with the pilot, where it should be in any case. The company never "officially" counsels flying through CB's, of course, but they sure want you to get from point "A" to "B" ... Except in the case where the runway is shut down -- the Captain is usually the final judge --- with consultation from his crewmembers --- as it should be. Sounds like these Air France boys may have landed 1/2 way down the runway on a wet surface. We don't know for sure, but if true --- and for the sake of discussion, they stacked the deck against themselves. If you ever get into a similar bind, lose the pride and go around. I've done it. Don't push it.

Launching to a destination that is on the backside of a Typhoon or fogged in is always a test of wills between flight dispatch and the Captain. Extra fuel, alternates, bingos all figure into the flight plan, and the best flight plan will probably change enroute. I've never yet lost an argument with dispatch, but tomorrow is always another day. Having said that, if you know you are right --- stand your ground. If you're unsure -- know the rules, the dispatch requirements, and know your own capabilities and those of your aircraft. The airlines will never hammer you when safety is the question and reasonable precaution(s) is the answer.

Reverse training: In the Navy, when aboard ship --- we used to actively seek out and fly under CB's to give the birds a semblance of "fresh water washdowns". Fresh water on the ship (an oil burner -- not a Nuke) was at a premium and the priority was always the ship's boilers and catapults ..... and anyway, real sailors drank JP (at least it tasted like that). :)
 

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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When I heard he had his reverse thrust on, my first thought was a microburst produced headwind could have caused him to land long. i am assuming 9000 feet is more than ample when ALL of it is available to stop this jet in reverse thrust.

We used to look for rain clouds to hose down our dirty birds as well. It was funny though, you're steaming in the middle of the IO, and there's one big cloud making rain, where do you think the boat gravitates to...our joke was, well that's where the wind is coming from.

Rain did not get the oil and soot off our jets after flights during Desert Storm, we tried on the rare occasion we saw a rain maker. What a streaked greasy mess our jets were. You could even smell the sulfurous burning oil in the cockpit.

r/
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A4sForever

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Hey, Schnugg .... does living over a Starbuck's keep you awake all night ... too much caffine and all ??? I own some SBUX stock, so I would appreciate your patronizing the establishment .... :) .... stay safe.
 

Schnugg

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I went by the coffee shop yesterday and a new 2005 Ford GT was parked in front. You know the $150,000 version.

I buy my coffee down there once every couple of weeks. The coffee drinks are quite pricey, compared to the US.

Too much money floating around here due to the oil. Really quite amazing.

Go figure, I have some SBUX as well. Very lucrative after buying it around 1992.

I am as always: jinking and jiving, and never taking the same route twice.

r/
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kmac

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<continuing with threadjack>
Ahhh someone lives near the gate. ;) Seattle's Best (across the street from the Starbucks) has free wi-fi. There I spent many an hour surveying Airwarriors.com. Of coruse, all the hot burka girls were at Starbucks.
 

A4sForever

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Schnuggapup said:
I went by the coffee shop yesterday....I buy my coffee down there once every couple of weeks. The coffee drinks are quite pricey, compared to the US. ...Too much money floating around here due to the oil.....r/
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(threadjack continues ...)

I wonder if the local "sheiks" know that their favorite coffee shop is owned by a (*gasp*) Jew .... ?? Irony??? You gotta love it .... :)

(end threadjack .... OUT)
 

Brett327

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kmac said:
<continuing with threadjack>
Ahhh someone lives near the gate. ;) Seattle's Best (across the street from the Starbucks) has free wi-fi. There I spent many an hour surveying Airwarriors.com. Of coruse, all the hot burka girls were at Starbucks.
Do they still walk around outside all burka-clad, then once they get inside of the mall, they whip those things off, revealing relatively hot chicks complete with makeup and F-me clothes?

Brett
 

Schnugg

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Brett327 said:
Do they still walk around outside all burka-clad, then once they get inside of the mall, they whip those things off, revealing relatively hot chicks complete with makeup and F-me clothes?

Brett


Yes...Seef Mall
 

zab1001

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The real fun is sitting at the Starbucks and guessing which chicks are pros and which are amatuers.
 

Brett327

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zab1001 said:
The real fun is sitting at the Starbucks and guessing which chicks are pros and which are amatuers.
There was this rumor about one of the hotels there - supposedly, a chick would enter your room at night (with her very own key) while you were sleeping, service the serviceman, and then exit smartly. Good times, right? Upon checking out, there would be an unexplained "extra" charge to your room, I suppose for "services" rendered.

Brett
 

kmac

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It wouldn't surprise me if the Phoenix Hotel was that way. Apparently the hooks knock on the doors in the wee hours looking for work.
 

Schnugg

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<continue threadjack better than original thread>

Saw lots of that at the Elite Hotel that I stayed in while pulling down TLA.

Just down the hall by the elevator on the 4th floor was a "Pro Room," if you will.

r/
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<end threadjack>
 

snizo

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Brett327 said:
I love watching everyone else freak out during turbulence on a COMAIR flight. :eek:

Good times,

Brett

Hey I like a good ride just as much as anyone else ;) I figure I paid a lot for the flight - might as well be fun.

...But this wasn't your normal turbulence. **** was seriously flying all over the place...
 
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