-
Please take a moment and update your account profile. If you have an updated account profile with basic information on why you are on Air Warriors it will help other people respond to your posts. How do you update your profile you ask?
Go here:
Edit Account Details and Profile
Any 187's out there?
- Thread starter Valion310
- Start date
- Status
reapergm
Member
True on Spins reply. Dont go for the minimum... take a look at some of the stats of kids getting into OCS right now. They have well above. Also Valion310, dont sweat it if you cant get into 186. I dont know from experience, but Ive been told by alot of people that Oct is the best time to go to OCS. Its not to hot, not too cold. Dec starts to get cold, but by that time your so used to all the crap and youre hard as nails. Summer is hot. Hiking 11 miles in 100 degree heat.. not so fun! Besides, it will give you more time to prepare, and have top notch scores, making you ALOT more competitive.
Guys, don't sweat the ASTB scores beyond what it takes to get the contract and get selected for OCS. There are plenty of guys out there wearing wings who barely scraped by the OSO. If you go to the Trawing 5 website there is a bunch of stuff about ASTB scores and correlation to attrition; somewhat interesting... https://www.cnet.navy.mil/naswf/trawing5.html (you have to dig a bit). That said, I'm down here in Kingsville for advanced jets with a few different guys who had to take the ASTB more than once, so, draw your own conclusions.
BTW, if anyone has any questions about the snaviator program from a marine perspective, fell free to ask or email.
S/F
BTW, if anyone has any questions about the snaviator program from a marine perspective, fell free to ask or email.
S/F
reapergm
Member
jjriv - Maybe its that way... maybe our OSOs are just trying to scare the hell out of us to get the best of us.. but I think its alot harder from a few years ago. I know alot of people who are scoring really high on the test. Granted they look at the whole package, but I still wish I had a higher score. I just want to know if it is helpful to an application if other areas are lacking.. just my .2$.
I'd have to agree that from what I've read around here, it is much more competitive to get to OCS with or without a flight contract these days. I was PLC combined 2000, and the application process was something of a formality if you were generally qualified and had better than a 3.0 and no police record. That said, we started with 300 candidates and graduated just this side of 180. The attrition back then was incredible; tons of dirtbags.
Well I'm hoping that being a former Sgt. in the Marines with a killer pft score will count in any of my short areas. I was a 46 crewcheif the first time around so now I want to sit up front. Ill graduate in March 04 from Embry-Riddle 3.75 right now just tring to keep it above a 3.5 till then. Anyone in Orange County Cali lookin for a training partner?
Rayman,
Of the candidates we lost, I say that just fewer than half were NPQ'd (injured beyond the point of recovery w/in time to complete all of the required events). The remaining majority were ferreted out by the staff for a variety of reasons. I'd say that the majority of them probably went into OCS with unrealistic expectations with regard to how physically and emotionally difficult it is. Don't get me wrong, some of it is fun, and for some, it's even physically easy. It will not be, unless you've been to boot camp or something like it, anything that you've possibly ever come close to experiencing in a psychological sense. Some guys will tell you (in retrospect) that it was no big deal. I can say personally that it was the most 10 hellish weeks of my life. I hated it, but then, it's not supposed to be fun. If you keep your eyes on the prize, and play the game that they want you to play, you'll be fine. It's interesting to note that if at the begining of OCS I had to pick out the guys from my platoon who wouldn't make it, I probably would have been pretty accurate. The SI's zoomed in on their top picks for attrition within 30 minutes of 'sea bag drag.' They were the deer in the headlights, the guys who simply could not formulate a complete sentence in the 'correct' phraseology while under pressure. It takes practice, for sure, but some of the guys just never figured it out. In the end, I'd say that there were very few uninjured people forced to leave who would have made decent officers or who at that point even wanted to be officers at all anymore.
BTW, if it's any indication, I was NPQ'd out of PLC Juniors my first time around 2 weeks from graduation, and I went back the next summer for Combined (it wasn't so awful as to keep me away).
Feel free to email if you have any specifics that your're concerned about.
Semper Fi
Of the candidates we lost, I say that just fewer than half were NPQ'd (injured beyond the point of recovery w/in time to complete all of the required events). The remaining majority were ferreted out by the staff for a variety of reasons. I'd say that the majority of them probably went into OCS with unrealistic expectations with regard to how physically and emotionally difficult it is. Don't get me wrong, some of it is fun, and for some, it's even physically easy. It will not be, unless you've been to boot camp or something like it, anything that you've possibly ever come close to experiencing in a psychological sense. Some guys will tell you (in retrospect) that it was no big deal. I can say personally that it was the most 10 hellish weeks of my life. I hated it, but then, it's not supposed to be fun. If you keep your eyes on the prize, and play the game that they want you to play, you'll be fine. It's interesting to note that if at the begining of OCS I had to pick out the guys from my platoon who wouldn't make it, I probably would have been pretty accurate. The SI's zoomed in on their top picks for attrition within 30 minutes of 'sea bag drag.' They were the deer in the headlights, the guys who simply could not formulate a complete sentence in the 'correct' phraseology while under pressure. It takes practice, for sure, but some of the guys just never figured it out. In the end, I'd say that there were very few uninjured people forced to leave who would have made decent officers or who at that point even wanted to be officers at all anymore.
BTW, if it's any indication, I was NPQ'd out of PLC Juniors my first time around 2 weeks from graduation, and I went back the next summer for Combined (it wasn't so awful as to keep me away).
Feel free to email if you have any specifics that your're concerned about.
Semper Fi
What do you mean by this? does that mean that many attended with the mind set the OCS will just be a breeze? Don't they have friends or aquintances who have ideas and realistic views on what will happen there? Many applicant who were eventually turned down from that OCC class would wish to trade places with those guys. But then again, I don't personally know each and every case of those NPQ'd candidates.
rayman,
you'd be surprised at some of the freaks that make it by the osos to ocs. a couple stories for you. i was in occ178 - fall 2001...like it was mentioned above, fall is the best time to go. on the first day of ocs, everyone is running around like idiots, stenciling things, sewing towels to their racks, making their racks, polishing their boots, ad nauseum. well this one guy next to me with a dutch boy haircut, racks out at 2200 (lights out) and i asked him if he was going to do any of the things we were supposed to do and he said, "no, i'm tired". when you encounter someone like that, stay far away, because the rounds the sgt instructors throw down on people like that have a pretty huge blast area. like jjriv said, some people just have no idea.
another story...the osos know who the dirtbags are that they are sending. they have to send "qualified" bodies. whether or not they make it...that's another story. my oso sent 5 to my class. before we left, the gunny told two of us (in private) to stay the hell away from one other guy, because he knew he wasn't gonna make it. "failure to adapt".
about ocs in general...yeah, it's hard. it's not impossible. play the game, sound off as loud as possible, haul arse like it was on fire, and they won't pick on you, even if you dork stuff up. (try not to lose your bearing too much...ha ha). believe it or not, lots of people just get hurt. that is the one thing you can't control, if you do get hurt, you suck it up as long as you can. 800mg motrin from the doc is nectar from God. good luck to you 187s.
you'd be surprised at some of the freaks that make it by the osos to ocs. a couple stories for you. i was in occ178 - fall 2001...like it was mentioned above, fall is the best time to go. on the first day of ocs, everyone is running around like idiots, stenciling things, sewing towels to their racks, making their racks, polishing their boots, ad nauseum. well this one guy next to me with a dutch boy haircut, racks out at 2200 (lights out) and i asked him if he was going to do any of the things we were supposed to do and he said, "no, i'm tired". when you encounter someone like that, stay far away, because the rounds the sgt instructors throw down on people like that have a pretty huge blast area. like jjriv said, some people just have no idea.
another story...the osos know who the dirtbags are that they are sending. they have to send "qualified" bodies. whether or not they make it...that's another story. my oso sent 5 to my class. before we left, the gunny told two of us (in private) to stay the hell away from one other guy, because he knew he wasn't gonna make it. "failure to adapt".
about ocs in general...yeah, it's hard. it's not impossible. play the game, sound off as loud as possible, haul arse like it was on fire, and they won't pick on you, even if you dork stuff up. (try not to lose your bearing too much...ha ha). believe it or not, lots of people just get hurt. that is the one thing you can't control, if you do get hurt, you suck it up as long as you can. 800mg motrin from the doc is nectar from God. good luck to you 187s.
- Status