Back in the Day.....

[A4sForever]

..... And what's with wearing a cover while climbing into the cockpit?....

I dunno .... they must be supreme tools.

image by A4sForever

 

[Catmando]

A4s beat me to it.
Back in the day it was cool to wear your cover to the aircraft (ashore) - provided you really knew how to wear it [from the pic, A4s obviously knew] - and always if on an XC.

 

[A4sForever]

A4s beat me to it.
Back in the day it was cool to wear your cover to the aircraft (ashore) - and always if on an XC.

ABSOLUTELY, Bruddah.

And ESPECIALLY if transiting or RON'in @ an AF base ... as the Khaki Piss Cutter worn at a 'rakish angle' w/ Zoom Bag freaked out more than one (AF) Zoomie ...

 

[Catmando]

ABSOLUTELY, Bruddah.

And ESPECIALLY if transiting or RON'in @ an AF base ... as the Khaki Piss Cutter worn at a 'rakish angle' w/ Zoom Bag freaked out more than one (AF) Zoomie ...

Yes it did. And I always absolutely loved it!!!!

Back then, they (asscot wearing zoomies) privately knew who ruled... and they were envious of our records, our success, and our brashness! They were handcuffed by AF bureaucracy. And we just rubbed some more salt into their jealous wounds to make them feel worse. Ye-hah!

 

[HeyJoe]

Guess I'm not that old school then. Safety Nazis didn't descend on us until 84 as I recall and insist on cranials or helmets on when ascending the ladder except for special occasions like Roster board shoots, which was only time I did it. Not me vvvv but only pic I could find

 

[Flugelman]

Yes it did. And I always absolutely loved it!!!!

Back then, they (asscot wearing zoomies) privately knew who ruled... and they were envious of our records, our success, and our brashness! They were handcuffed by AF bureaucracy. And we just rubbed some more salt into their jealous wounds to make them feel worse. Ye-hah!

Kind of a threadjack, but this got me to thinking about a conversation I had with the old man a couple of weeks ago.

He flew regular FCFs out of Kisarazu, Japan while he was with the FASRON there. He said they were often "jumped" by AF guys out of nearby Johnson AFB. He told me about the time he was up in an F4U and was jumped by 2 AF F-80s, said with a big grin that he he suckered them into a low level turning fight and "Ate their lunch".

 

[Fog]

Certainly: you wore your piss-cutter to the a/c and then folded it & stuffed it into one of the the lower leg-pockets of your zoom bag. It stayed there until you landed & put it back on at the ramp.

 

[KnightNArmor]

can you just imagine the looks on said "Safety Nazi" face if you were to just throw a piss cutter on after a flight...... it would almost be worth it.

 

[OUSOONER]

Was there any one specific incident that caused the cover to be a fod hazard at the ramp? One day I won't be an Ensign anymore and I like to accrue as may knowledges as I can.

 

[Pugs]

Kind of related thread-jack from a VQ story related to me by an instructor in VT-10 circa 87.

He was an EC-130 VQ type so dets to USAF bases around the US was the norm followed by their mind numbing airborne watches towing the VLF tail. Normally they just wore ball caps with bags but some USAF base CO got all pissed saying it looked unprofessional and the next time they showed up that way he would ensure high level attention would be made up the chain if any ballcaps were seen. So next time they deted there they ensure they brought summer white combo covers and sported those around base in their bags for the week. Apparently ball caps become more acceptable quickly.

Another case of the FU attitude the USAF deserves.

 

[A4sForever]

Was there any one specific incident that caused the cover to be a fod hazard at the ramp? One day I won't be an Ensign anymore and I like to accrue as may knowledges as I can.

Most likely an accumulation of several 'incidents' ... for the record, I never heard of/saw any 'hat' incidents while I was drivin' for UNCLE.

But then, Momma' didn't raise no fools, and we never wore ball caps, piss-cutters, cowboy hats, Panama hats, clown hats, or anything else on the ramp/deck when engines were turning ... I think more engines were FOD'ed from pens/pencils, MX screws and safety wire left adrift on the ramp than any 'hat' ever caused.

Hat's on the ramp?? Think 'air show' for a comparable situation -- lots of 'hats' everywhere on the ramp, but there's no birds turnin' & burnin' ...

 

[Renegade One]

Oooohh...been waiting for an opportunity to post a pic of this old supreme tool. AWG piss cutter, of course...
View attachment 10789

 

[exhelodrvr]

I think more engines were FOD'ed from pens/pencils, MX screws and safety wire left adrift on the ramp than any 'hat' ever caused.

From what I remember from a couple of articles in Approach, FOD was almost never caused by items on the ramp; the vast majority of the FODs were caused by loose screws/panels/tools on the aircraft itself.

 

[A4sForever]

From what I remember from a couple of articles in Approach, FOD was almost never caused by items on the ramp; the vast majority of the FODs were caused by loose screws/panels/tools on the aircraft itself.

Then you reemphasize my point re: covers/hats ...

Some of our MX people always found it more convenient to blame FOD'ed engines on the 'ramp' rather than QA ... those kine' guys are always out there.

The four (5?) engines I lost airborne due to FOD while flyin' for UNCLE were all guesstimated to be FOD'ed from 'internal' sources.

 

[HeloBubba]

The four (5?) engines I lost airborne due to FOD while flyin' for UNCLE were all guesstimated to be FOD'ed from 'internal' sources.

Nothing like a compressor blade making its way through the rest of the engine to make for an interesting day.