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Basic Airwork.

MSkinsATC

Registered User
pilot
here is something that helped me, try to get into one of the towers, or one of the RDO shacks for the pattern. Watch the airplane fly around and chair fly it, listen to all the calls and do what you would be doing at that time, just an idea
 

bunk22

Super *********
pilot
Super Moderator
Further proof, that TopGun got it wrong..

Instead of:
"And if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!"

Yeah thats wrong. The above is actually a pretty good freaking deal :D Lets see, per diem, 5 star hotel, beer, English girls, beer, more girls....etc.

For the starter of this thread, one more tidbit of knowledge, it obviously takes varying amounts of time for folks to get "it". I remember years ago on my FAM-6 whem my onwing, after 5 flights of yelling, cursing, head shaking, we landed and he said.......'you finally learned to fly today.' So eventually, it most likely will click, just keep going and don't get down. Bad flight, let it go and move on to the next.
 

Rubiks06

Registered User
pilot
The other thing that really helps your basic air work is BI's. Your scan becomes much more effective, granted you are going to have to fight the tendancy to fly inside the plane but you will notice a huge difference in your basic air work.
 

feddoc

Really old guy
Contributor
^^ I am sure that has been posted before and it is a great way to study something that you have to have cold.

I have done cognitive skills instructing previously and what the tennis ball, or ping pong ball, does is force your brain to make the knowledge automatic and subconscious; it is a very effective technique. The technical terms are sensory-motor integration and divided attention.

R/
teve

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I agree with these guys; the above is good training for the mind. That screaming on wing is a mental distraction much like the tennis ball will be.


Good luck to you.
 

a_m

Still learning how much I don't know.
None
Lots of good suggestions (and one lame attempt at humor) here. Something that you might want to try that's very easy to set up is grab a tennis ball and bounce it against the wall while you recite procedures in a chair. That way, you have to be accurate w/ the ball but also concentrate on the procedures.

Just a personal technique, but I play guitar hero when I go over EP's, procedures, etc.
 

Squid

F U Nugget
pilot
As far as your "getting over your stupid mistakes", realize that despite what you hear, every aviator has made stupid mistakes. I will give you an example. A very good friend of mine was in primary and he was coming in for the overhead. He reached for the gear above 150 kts and the instructor had his hand on the gear handle. My friend felt the resistance on the gear handle and for some reason dropped the flaps above 150 kts. He is winged and now flies -60's out of Mayport. Keep the faith and laugh at yourself.

I think I remember that story, or something similar at a tie cutting a few years back.

"We were 160 kts and I knew he was gonna reach for the gear and I had it guarded like the IPs are trained to do. I felt him push on the handle as he called for the gear. He applied more force with each try. I normally guard the gear with one hand and the flaps with another. But now I'm using two hands to keep the gear handle from coming down. It's just at that time that I hear over the ICS, "FLAPS!"".


Doh.
 

PropStop

Kool-Aid free since 2001.
pilot
Contributor
I raised the gear handle on the ground in T-34 land. Dunno why I did that. That weight on wheels switch really does work!
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
I think I remember that story, or something similar at a tie cutting a few years back.

"We were 160 kts and I knew he was gonna reach for the gear and I had it guarded like the IPs are trained to do. I felt him push on the handle as he called for the gear. He applied more force with each try. I normally guard the gear with one hand and the flaps with another. But now I'm using two hands to keep the gear handle from coming down. It's just at that time that I hear over the ICS, "FLAPS!"".


Doh.

Yeah, it's a pretty common error. I have no idea why.
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
Yeah, it's a pretty common error. I have no idea why.

Yes, I have had that one done/attempted on me a few times. My hand stays on the gear handle until 150 and then moves to the flap handle. I used to do the multiple hand thing, but then you have nothing left to talk/guard stick with. I figure you can only protect students from themselves so much.
 

Gatordev

Well-Known Member
pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
I used to do the multiple hand thing, but then you have nothing left to talk/guard stick with. I figure you can only protect students from themselves so much.

Especially w/ all the lessons learned "training" that's been floating around on emails.
 

Pags

N/A
pilot
Tried my damndest to overspeed the gear a couple of times, but was saved by an IP staying ahead of me. It's all water under the bridge now, since the helo has non-retractable gear (just keep an eye on the parking brake). I knew of folks who went through the landing checklist and called out "3 down and locked" without ever touching the geear handle. They didn't even figure it out when the horn went off.
 

othromas

AEDO livin’ the dream
pilot
I raised the gear handle on the ground in T-34 land. Dunno why I did that. That weight on wheels switch really does work!

Our systems instructor in Primary told us a story about a guy in Primary whose instructor was trying to get them back to the line as quick as he could since it was getting dark and it was a day contact ride. This was a little while ago, when they did the after landing checklist on the roll. They were rolling pretty fast off the active runway, and somehow the stud got discombobulated and pulled the gear handle up. Since they were turning and they were fast, there was enough weight off the squat switch to disable it, and the gear really did come up. The next thing they know they're sliding across the taxiway into the grass...
 

Rubiks06

Registered User
pilot
I raised the gear handle on the ground in T-34 land. Dunno why I did that. That weight on wheels switch really does work!

I did the exact same thing. Got to the landing gear in the check list went to check it down. Put my hand on it lifted it up and in the same second realized what i had just done. I pushed it back down just as fast. All i heard was a voice from the back "did you just put the landing gear up on the ground?" I didnt know what to say, so i just nodded. I got the response, "Yeah...lets not do that again". Oops...rest of the flight when ok.
 
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