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NEWS Big surprise, OBOGS back in the news.

Duc'-guy25

Well-Known Member
pilot
I don't care what you'd "take." The point is that is not the way the system was designed and it is inherently much more dangerous. So much so that NATOPS used to say that it could cause serious injury or death. We took that part out when it became convenient. And here we are more than two years later treating it as the norm.

When I gave my post a one over before posting it I deleted most of the second paragraph which was publicly criticizing former CNATRAs and the handling of the sequencing problems in the T-6 because I thought it better to not have that tidbit coming from me. It wasn't defending that its okay that there is an aircraft that is not being operated as designed, it was stating that bailing out of an uncontrollable aircraft on a static line is difficult and risky itself. The fact that this has become normal ops and not a stop gap is in fact a scary thing for us as a community. I'll go make a fresh pot of coffee for the mess now...
 

Gatordev

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pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
When I gave my post a one over before posting it I deleted most of the second paragraph which was publicly criticizing former CNATRAs and the handling of the sequencing problems in the T-6 because I thought it better to not have that tidbit coming from me. It wasn't defending that its okay that there is an aircraft that is not being operated as designed, it was stating that bailing out of an uncontrollable aircraft on a static line is difficult and risky itself. The fact that this has become normal ops and not a stop gap is in fact a scary thing for us as a community. I'll go make a fresh pot of coffee for the mess now...

An "uncontrollable" aircraft and an "out of control" aircraft are two different things. If you nick lead and lose a wing, sure, life will be severely more sucky trying to get out by bailing vs. ejecting. But generally, that's not when folks have had to bail out of a T-34. Typically, it's been due to random things (bird strikes, fires, etc) or due to OCF. Both are actually fairly low speed evolutions. Although spins will happen very fast and bailing out will need to happen ASAP, the actual airflow/tail impact problem isn't as big of a statistically relevant thing to worry about.

I'm not privy to the T-6 ejection details, but from someone who's only option was bailing out, I'd rather risk rolling off the edge of the wing in a spin than hoping my stud can wait x number of seconds so he doesn't burn my face/pull a Goose mid-flight. Obviously either situation provides no "good" solution.
 

BACONATOR

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pilot
Contributor
Newp, just a nerd.
As am I. Got my masters in in. Normalization of deviance is a topic near and dear to my heart, and one I constantly recognize and openly discuss in the resource-constrained environment that I find myself in...
 

Brett327

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I guess every PE is news-worthy event now. Also, can we please stop referring to NIMITZ class carriers as supercarriers? It sounds ridiculous. They're just carriers.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
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PNW Flyer

Active Member
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I guess every PE is news-worthy event now. Also, can we please stop referring to NIMITZ class carriers as supercarriers? It sounds ridiculous. They're just carriers.
I would argue that anything that is occurring in the taxpayers name and using the taxpayers money, especially overseas, and especially when it involves killing and death and risk to the life of American citizens as newsworthy.

Maybe you don't.

Consider though that if that hypoxic pilot had ended up in a smoking crater or as a hostage it certainly would be. Arguably even odds either of those eventualities occur with hypoxic incapacitation over hostile territory.
 

Gatordev

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pilot
Site Admin
Contributor
I would argue that anything that is occurring in the taxpayers name and using the taxpayers money, especially overseas, and especially when it involves killing and death and risk to the life of American citizens as newsworthy.

It is kind of an interesting postulate. Where is that line between random military issues and "newsworthy" "failures." There was a time where we were losing or damaging sono-domes pretty regularly, in large part because not the right info was getting out to the fleet (for various reasons). Or when missiles would constantly and consistently fail due to some acquisition decisions.

Are these newsworthy, since they're acquired by tax-payer dollars, or are they airshow nerd details that need to be brought to light on the 9th hour of <insert internet watchdog personality>'s show?

I don't have the answer. I will say that Stripes.com doesn't like ad blockers. Just FYI, and not apropos to anything specific. You're welcome.
 
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