I saw a post somewhere saying Naval Academy grads have to hit up OCS when if they go Corps. Is this true? If so not, what do y'all think of the idea? i know the annapolis marine option guys do somethin called 'leatherneck', but i heard specifically that they have to go to OCS now.
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Boat Schoolers at OCS???
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nope, they certainly do not go OCS
But they DO go to TBS... what do us that went to OCS think about it? Ehh, It doesn't really bother me too much... TBS sucked alot worse than OCS anyways... I might (and often do) give naval academy guys a hard time, but at the end of the day I'm not really pissed that they didn't do OCS.
But they DO go to TBS... what do us that went to OCS think about it? Ehh, It doesn't really bother me too much... TBS sucked alot worse than OCS anyways... I might (and often do) give naval academy guys a hard time, but at the end of the day I'm not really pissed that they didn't do OCS.
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I'll add to my above post that there was a 3 year period in the early 90s where USNA grads DID go to OCS... I'm not sure why they stopped, perhaps too many were attrited ?
At any rate, OCS isn't really a training environment, it's really just an interview process to see if you rate to be an Officer. I suppose people far above my pay grade have determined that you already rate to be a Marine Officer if you are selected to attend and succeed at the Naval Academy.
At any rate, OCS isn't really a training environment, it's really just an interview process to see if you rate to be an Officer. I suppose people far above my pay grade have determined that you already rate to be a Marine Officer if you are selected to attend and succeed at the Naval Academy.
SecNav Webb was having USNA mids go to OCS in the '80s too. While the end result seems to be okay anyway, ideally everyone would go to OCS so that everyone has the same baseline. Guess the money aspect probably has something to do with it as well.
This sounds like the debates we used to have when I graduated from Parris Island (i.e., we were better than "Hollywood Marines," etc.) The discussion was fun, but pointless - regardless of which depot we graduated from, the end result is that we were all basically-trained Marines.
At TBS, there are numerous commissioning sources, and a myriad of experience levels: Academy grads (from all three academies), Academy grads with prior service, NROTC who did Bulldog, prior service NROTC who did MCRD AND Bulldog, PLC who went 10 weeks, PLC who went 6+6, PLC who went only 6, MECEP who went Bulldog, OCC who went 10, prior-service PLC who went through MCRD and 6+6 OCS, ECP/MCP who went through MCRD and OCS, etc, etc, etc (there surely are many combinations that I missed...) Then, factor in that some lieutenants are green 21-year olds, and some are 13-year former gunnies with numerous combat experience. Oh, and did I mention the international officers?
The bottom line is that TBS is a great place to meet others with different backgrounds, different commissioning sources, etc. Thanks to the "clean slate" everybody starts with at TBS, regardless of how they earned their commissiong, the end result is the same: A "basically-trained" lieutenant.
At TBS, there are numerous commissioning sources, and a myriad of experience levels: Academy grads (from all three academies), Academy grads with prior service, NROTC who did Bulldog, prior service NROTC who did MCRD AND Bulldog, PLC who went 10 weeks, PLC who went 6+6, PLC who went only 6, MECEP who went Bulldog, OCC who went 10, prior-service PLC who went through MCRD and 6+6 OCS, ECP/MCP who went through MCRD and OCS, etc, etc, etc (there surely are many combinations that I missed...) Then, factor in that some lieutenants are green 21-year olds, and some are 13-year former gunnies with numerous combat experience. Oh, and did I mention the international officers?
The bottom line is that TBS is a great place to meet others with different backgrounds, different commissioning sources, etc. Thanks to the "clean slate" everybody starts with at TBS, regardless of how they earned their commissiong, the end result is the same: A "basically-trained" lieutenant.
I'm a senior at Annapolis and just finished Leatherneck. And just to confirm no we do not have to go to OCS. But an interesting tidbit. We had a senior from West Point in my Leatherneck company and if they do select Marine Corps out of there they are required to go to OCS, or at least that's what the Major in charge of our training told us. That goes for anyone selecting Marine Corps out of any of the Academies, except Annapolis. So Boat Schoolers are the only ones that do not go to OCS. What do you all think about that policy?
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There are one to two "international officers" who train with almost every TBS class.Clux4 said:
In addition to USNA, USMA and USAFA, Echo Company 5-99 had butter bars who graduated from USCGA and the Merchant Marine Academy. I thought the USAFA, USCGA and MMA guys were crazy (and I bet they wished they stuck with their service)!
caeli said:
You can go to any service out of any of the Academies. It is difficult and you must provide good reasons such as you did not get into that Academy or you have a family heritage in that service. But yes, we always have a couple that do interservice transfers every year.
JetJunkie said:
You obviously never saw them during leatherneck. I was stashed in Mike Co when they were doing leatherneck a couple years ago. Good lord. That is a JOKE compared to OCS. Every night they were hanging out in the Hawk drinking beer.... rough life there. There appeared to be only a slight amount of organization and discipline in the evolutions we saw.
I just think that if you're going to make MECEPs go through OCS, you should make boat schoolers too. It was always said the only time you earned the EGA was when you either a) finish the crucible in boot or b) did so in OCS. It just seems like a double standard.... If MECEPs are already Marines, what are they proving in OCS (if you're going to argue that it's TBS that transforms them into officers)...and why don't Academy kids have to prove the same?
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Why do prior service Marines going through OCC or PLC have to earn the EGA twice, they already have one. I think they have everything all fvcked up. They need to have a class like bulldog (6 wk program), where ring-knockers, MECEP's, already devildogs can do their little FEX and get on thier merry way. Wasting money to carry out hazing is unecessary.
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Not that I enjoyed OCS by any means, but I can understand why we (MECEPs) go. I saw plenty of other MECEP students booted out for many reasons like integrity violations, falling out of humps or formation runs (repeatedly), or just plain old lack of leadership. Hell, we even had MECEPs quit during OCS. I hate to say it but some people do slip through the cracks and get into MECEP. Then the Marine Corps does need some sort of...I don't know...safety net (?) to hopefully catch them before they take their nasty ways into the officer corps.
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