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Bonhomme Richard fire

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exNavyOffRec

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cfam said:
When I was listening to the SDFD feed about 90 minutes ago, they pulled back all units and evacuated the crew when the fire spread to the fuel.
Edit: local news with updated injury count. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/crews-battle-3-alarm-blaze-on-military-assault-ship/2363877/
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Fuel for the tractors and such I guess? Anytime I went into an extended maintenance period most of our fuel was transferred off. The other thing is when in a maintenance availability there is a lot of paint and such on the hangar bay for all the work going on.
 
MIDNJAC

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exNavyOffRec said:
Fuel for the tractors and such I guess? Anytime I went into an extended maintenance period most of our fuel was transferred off. The other thing is when in a maintenance availability there is a lot of paint and such on the hangar bay for all the work going on.
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Brings up a question for the SWOs.....how do you handle CG on an asymmetric ship (CVN, LHD) if all the aviation fuel is offloaded and the ship is in the water?
 
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exNavyOffRec said:
That has now been picked up by multiple news stations saying the SD fire chief has said she will "burn down to the waterline" and "burn for days"
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Just because the message is being amplified has little to know bearing on whether or not the initial messenger was or was not talking out his ass. I'd like to know what led him to that statement. I'm sure he knows a crapton about civ firefighting, but I wonder what he does/doesn't know about shipboard firefighting.
 
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exNavyOffRec

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nittany03 said:
Just because the message is being amplified has little to know bearing on whether or not the initial messenger was or was not talking out his ass. I'd like to know what led him to that statement. I'm sure he knows a crapton about civ firefighting, but I wonder what he does/doesn't know about shipboard firefighting.
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completely agree, most civilian firefighters have little knowledge about fighting a shipboard fire.
 
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nittany03 said:
All respect for his professional judgement on the civ side, but I'd be curious to know where he's drawing that conclusion from. I mean, for starters, steel doesn't burn.
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But it does melt and all of the lagging, paint, oil, deck coverings, nonskid, and various other things installed on the ship can and do burn. You're also looking at a Class Bravo fire here due to the smoke. That means there some sort of oil or petroleum product fueling the fire. If it's so bad that he's saying she'll burn to the waterline, I'd assume that to mean that they're having trouble accessing the fire and it's getting out of control which happens much faster than you would intuitively believe it would.
 
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MIDNJAC said:
Brings up a question for the SWOs.....how do you handle CG on an asymmetric ship (CVN, LHD) if all the aviation fuel is offloaded and the ship is in the water?
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Treetop Flyer said:
Not a SWO or sailor but I imagine it’s much less of an issue at a pier than at sea
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Being light isn't much of a problem when pierside unless you're dealing with hurricane season or some other rough sea state. Also, LHDs have ballast tanks with which to compensate. Also, if she's at the piers I think she is, then she's so far up river that I don't think she's going to be susceptible to high sea states.

nittany03 said:
Just because the message is being amplified has little to know bearing on whether or not the initial messenger was or was not talking out his ass. I'd like to know what led him to that statement. I'm sure he knows a crapton about civ firefighting, but I wonder what he does/doesn't know about shipboard firefighting.
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exNavyOffRec said:
completely agree, most civilian firefighters have little knowledge about fighting a shipboard fire.
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He's likely getting advised by the NAVSTA FD personnel as well as DCA and ADCA, likely the Engineering Assessors Pacific, and probably N4 staff from PACFLT. They all know a thing or two about shipboard firefighting and if the SDFD is anything like the Jax FD, then they probably do training with the NAVSTA FD bubbas. That doesn't even account for all of the NAVSEA folks swarming around who have been managing the maintenance availability who are trying to figure out how much this is going to set back their work schedule.
 
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Not gonna lie, I hoped something like this would happen (some catastrophe where everyone got out but I wouldn’t have to spend another night on the boat in port) every time I drove in to the boat on my disassociated sea tour... very interesting to watch, glad everyone seems to have made it out safe.
 
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exNavyOffRec

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AllAmerican75 said:
But it does melt and all of the lagging, paint, oil, deck coverings, nonskid, and various other things installed on the ship can and do burn. You're also looking at a Class Bravo fire here due to the smoke. That means there some sort of oil or petroleum product fueling the fire. If it's so bad that he's saying she'll burn to the waterline, I'd assume that to mean that they're having trouble accessing the fire and it's getting out of control which happens much faster than you would intuitively believe it would.
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A shipyard environment is a bad place to have a fire, often firefighting systems are being worked on, temp firefighting systems are so so at best, hoses are strung everywhere so trying to shut any doors that could contain the fire is not easy, and on a Sunday so even fewer personnel to try and get that done and fight the fire.
 
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AllAmerican75 said:
But it does melt and all of the lagging, paint, oil, deck coverings, nonskid, and various other things installed on the ship can and do burn. You're also looking at a Class Bravo fire here due to the smoke. That means there some sort of oil or petroleum product fueling the fire. If it's so bad that he's saying she'll burn to the waterline, I'd assume that to mean that they're having trouble accessing the fire and it's getting out of control which happens much faster than you would intuitively believe it would.
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There are two types of fires in the Navy: those that get put out in under a minute and those that burn for 12 hours and destroy the ship.
 
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