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Bonhomme Richard fire

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Standby for safety stand downs coming for all ships, particually big decks in the yards. Can't help but imagine this scenario with a CVN instead of a Gator... USS Last Ship conducted mid patrol CMAV in FDNF with weaps and gas onboard. Work scope was very limited but the risk is always there. Can not fathom how a similar scenario would play out with the added complexity of a potential issues in the plant to go along with the fire. Heartbreaking to watch. Guessing the CDO is an O-4? can't imagine there are enough O5s to go around...
I stood CDO Inport on BHR as an O3 and that was common. Not that many O5s on an LHD.
 

BarryD

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Thought of the day: San Dog’s personal injury bar has to be drooling at the thought of the JAGMAN investigation getting released.

I’m hearing that the smoke cloud has been hanging around greater San Diego, and I’m betting as soon as any implication of liability gets released to the public, there’s going to be a mother of a class-action lawsuit alleging it caused or exacerbated every non-COVID cough and sniffle in the entire city.
Allegedly people can smell smoke all the way up in Oceanside.
 

exNavyOffRec

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Thought of the day: San Dog’s personal injury bar has to be drooling at the thought of the JAGMAN investigation getting released.

I’m hearing that the smoke cloud has been hanging around greater San Diego, and I’m betting as soon as any implication of liability gets released to the public, there’s going to be a mother of a class-action lawsuit alleging it caused or exacerbated every non-COVID cough and sniffle in the entire city.
From some of the statements it sounds as if they have been taking and monitoring samples, I wonder if when they sent these people out to take samples they said "just so you know, you will probably end up in court in the next few years"
 

exNavyOffRec

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Oh yes, I understand, and I hope I didn't come across as trying to be contradictory.
I wasn't really sure, however info has been coming out in bits and pieces so I figured better to put out there what I heard to ensure it was known I wasn't speculating on things.
 

Spekkio

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It sounds from the brief this morning the fire started where contractors had staged a lot of items in tri-walls, lots of flammable items, if it was from welding someone didn't check what was around them well enough.
I'm not saying that hot work can't be the cause, but that there's got to be some gross negligence to go along with it that cannot be prevented by ship's force unless we stay with them 100% of the time.

Try to light a bunch of construction material on fire with a few stray sparks, let alone one that instantly grows beyond the capability of a fire extinguisher. It doesn't work that way. You need prolonged exposure or some kind of oil / fuel, as shown in this video, to get it going (and note he still has time to calmly put it out before it reaches flashover).

 
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exNavyOffRec

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I'm not saying that hot work can't be the cause, but that there's got to be some gross negligence to go along with it that cannot be prevented by ship's force unless we stay with them 100% of the time.

Try to light a bunch of construction material on fire with a few stray sparks, let alone one that instantly grows beyond the capability of a fire extinguisher. It doesn't work that way. You need prolonged exposure or some kind of oil / fuel, as shown in this video, to get it going (and note he still has time to calmly put it out before it reaches flashover).

It is rare, I have only seen a few fires from welding, most very minor, the one that sticks out in my head was where welding was taking place on a bulkhead, one firewatch was on the other side of the bulkhead but was in the wrong area by a few feet, he moved items away from where he thought the welding was and moved them to where it really was, heat caused items to start smoldering and when they noticed and moved them away it caught fire, it was immediately out.

In most cases I believe that when things go wrong it is rarely a single point failure, so I would agree if it was due to welding someone wasn't doing their job.
 

exNavyOffRec

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It looks as if they have made significant progress on the fire, it is interesting watching those guys do the water drops as they are putting it in a very specific area.

The news helo was showing some very close shots of the ship, there are a few areas where the paint is discolored due to heat, but not as much as I thought there would be.

Edit: it looks like the list has been reduced or fixed.
 

nittany03

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It looks as if they have made significant progress on the fire, it is interesting watching those guys do the water drops as they are putting it in a very specific area.

The news helo was showing some very close shots of the ship, there are a few areas where the paint is discolored due to heat, but not as much as I thought there would be.

Edit: it looks like the list has been reduced or fixed.
Yeah, she's sitting a lot more level in general; she looked down by the bow earlier, too. Looks a lot more structurally together, except for the mast, anyway.
 

exNavyOffRec

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Yeah, she's sitting a lot more level in general; she looked down by the bow earlier, too. Looks a lot more structurally together, except for the mast, anyway.

That is what I was thinking.

I was reading a post from one of the CPO's on scene, he said the 2 DDG's that had to move ended up getting underway without any support from port ops, or cranes a big team effort to get the brow removed and lines off so they could get the ships out of there, not sure if they did or did not have tugs as there were several around the area.
 
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